bluegrassIU

6 hours ago, Lostin76 said:

It really is a great album and George is still my favorite Beatle.

I prefer Bailey.

22 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

Does anyone have a good explanation as to why countries like Bangladesh (164 million people) and Indonesia (273 million people) have significantly lower numbers than the United States, South America, and most of Europe?  Are they better at social distancing (unlikely)?  Do they have better healthcare (no)? 

Or, does it have something to do with their immune systems?  

Would be worth investigating, wouldn't it?  

Have to think testing and reporting processes have to play a role. Who knows how much, but has to be considered. 

HCQ started being "banned" when the false study came out.

My mom has been on HCQ for years (lupus, rheumatoid arthritis and a degenerative lung disease). The medicine is safe and has been for many years.

Do your own research. The facts show HCQ is effective on treating patients early. Phase 1, initial symptoms. There is plenty of data to back that up.

It is not effective once the virus has fully taken hold and the patient is very ill.

The vast majority of those debunking its viability are basing their arguments on a patient being very ill. Taking HCQ and not getting better.

It is a straw man argument. Distort the claims to easily shoot it down.

I do not care who is right or wrong, which side is right etc.

I am very familiar with HCQ. I am not an expert on what it does with covid (hell, nobody is a covid expert at this point).

What infuriates me is that as soon as a disliked politician says he "likes it", the media ran right to portraying it as some dangerous mystery drug with these god awful side effects. Basically claiming it was not safe.

I knew right then, we will never get honest truth. Debate whether it works for covid all you want. My reading has me believing it is useful early.

But to call it dangerous, and literally prohibit a doctor from prescribing it?

That is wrong. That is scary. It is a safe drug.....it may give you the poops.

1 hour ago, Muckraker said:

I guess it depends on who you are, and what you think. Sad! 

Sorry, I am not on here 24/7. 

Geesh, got it as soon as i saw it. Sorry you think it is sad. Really. Thanks for understanding.  🙄

This is the kind of "jounalism" that makes people do stupid stuff. 

Either you beleive the nonsense and go full blown panic extremes. Or you recognize they are playing to our fears and say to hell with it, its all hype. Then stop using common sense. This junk journalism is dangerous on all sides.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/america-track-million-coronavirus-cases-112633549.html

18 minutes ago, go_iu_bb said:

I didn't see him until I saw your post.

Now that's funny.

2 hours ago, cybergates said:

Full disclosure,  it took me a while to see the dude. The scenery in the forefront kinda snagged my attention.

To be clear, I think there is odd reporting in both directions. It is scary. 

Government, hospitals, doctors etc all have stake in how this is reported. My frustration is not at any one group or direction. Just that everything we are fed is fed to us with a tilt, one direction or the other.

Wow, people are so damn dismissive of any view that is not their own.

My daughter is a nurse. One of my best friends is a doctor. Beleive me or don't, call me ridiculous and give me a tin foil hat.

But they live in this world. If you think there is no incentive for people to classify deaths as covid (and some people take advantage of this incentive) then you are just not doing the research.

Covid is real, dangerous and rampant. But truthfully, it is next to impossible to gauge the actual extent.

https://www.denverpost.com/2020/05/15/colorado-covid-coronavirus-counting-deaths-fatalities/amp/

14 minutes ago, Leathernecks said:

 

Really curious if any of those that tested positive had any symptoms. 

1 minute ago, IUFLA said:

Mask tip:

If you're going to have garlic knots, Caesar salad, and veal picatta for lunch and you have to wear your mask afterwards, carry mints.

I had a sudden belch the other day, while wearing a mask. Lets just say, it was not a good experience 😷🤮

2 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said:

I bought a new range from home depot recently.  Took 2 weeks to get it delivered.  Asked the sales rep about refrigerators while I was there.  Said if I ordered that day expect to wait until September for delivery.  Hope mine holds on a few more months.  Its where my food lives.

Exactly. The company I work for is a large, well positioned company. But we are no home depot. Nobody matches their buying power, so if they can't get it, imagine what the rest of us are dealing with.

6 minutes ago, bluegrassIU said:

Supply chain issues are real. I work as a divisional level person for a national retail chain. Selling electronics, appliances and furniture. 

I cover 4 states. The past two months our business has been surprisingly strong, very strong. The demand is still strong, but our growth is diminishing because we simply have exhausted all angles to keep proper inventory levels.

Washers and dryers are worth their weight in gold for us, nobody has access!

Supply chain on appliances is in a bad way right now, for sure.

And just after I posted this, one of my regional managers just sent me this.....

"Wow! None of the refrigerators I ordered last week came in"

Ugh

1 hour ago, Lostin76 said:

I think we all agree on making this more palatable as a nation and I like they way you phrased this. Our actions can help collectively - or damage the efforts at recovery. I don't like wearing masks, but I do it and will continue to do so. I don't like having to think twice about a grocery trip or running errands, but I'll do it and not make unnecessary trips.

Two things are getting clearer for me -  that this is going to be a long haul and that the "United" States that I know and love is fractured over how to survive this. Would love some of that "post 9/11 we are all in this together" spirit about now.

I agree. I am fine with a million different views on what "this report" means or how we interpret "that article" etc.

But the division on wearing a mask, keeping distance and othe common sense protocol is exhausting and dangerous.

We are all guessing how severe this really is, how long it will last. What we do know is the virus is real and it is super active.

With all the unknowns, how anybody wants to gamble with their personal actions is beyond me.

I see people not wearing a mask and I just think "you are not tough, you are not exercising your freedom, you are simply being a freaking douchebag"

14 hours ago, Drroogh said:

From page one of this thread, I’m still concerned about the supply chain! My tooling vendor has been providing samples on schedule in spite of me being on furlough for two weeks! I’m now totally worried about our domestic molding vendors! Just like us low wage employees on unemployment with Covid benefits are making more money staying home! We have on average 50 people short each day! Further we had one line shut down because one employee’s husband tested positive, luckily she did not test positive! If she and others on the line had we would have lost our highest selling line!!

 

Supply chain issues are real. I work as a divisional level person for a national retail chain. Selling electronics, appliances and furniture. 

I cover 4 states. The past two months our business has been surprisingly strong, very strong. The demand is still strong, but our growth is diminishing because we simply have exhausted all angles to keep proper inventory levels.

Washers and dryers are worth their weight in gold for us, nobody has access!

Supply chain on appliances is in a bad way right now, for sure.

36 minutes ago, Reacher said:

20-44 year olds now make up the largest group of cases. Yet only 3.1% end up in an ICU (vs 20% of those age 75-84).With a fatality rate of 0.2% it is easy to see that deaths are not going to skyrocket if the young continue to get infected. Fatality rate is almost 19% for those over 85. Key is protecting our seniors!

Covid Outbreak summary.pdf 180.59 kB · 0 downloads

Important to note, that is reflecting cases in February and March where the vast majority of resources were geared towards the elderly and health care workers. This is reflecting only cases resolved 4 months ago.

42 minutes ago, Lostin76 said:

I think you are onto something - I'm afraid it's that American exceptionalism that's biting us in the a**. This thing can be beat, but it takes a united front.

Our testing is not some shining beacon on the hill. Nothing about our response suggests that we can beat this. Although some states have had success (NY has flattened the hell out of the curve after being the epicenter. But that was not easy) And I don't see AZ, TX, of FL willing to do what NY did to turn it around.

I do not disagree. Just saying the testing per million is not the way I would determine if we are the best or not.

As for New York, I think we may be dealing with recency bias. It is premature to say they did a good job at flattening the curve and others are not.

They are no longer the hot spot. But when this horrible thing is finally over, I am thinking them and New Jetsey will still lead the pack in cases and deaths in realtion to population.

Even with the blow ups in Texas, Florida, California etc, they have a very long way to go to get to New York or New Jersey numbers.

I think we do agree, lets hope they do not approach those numbers.  It can still be avoided if people start using basic common sense and follow simple protocols.

1 hour ago, Lostin76 said:

...... Oh, and that's not just b/c we test more. We are 25th in testing per 1M people.

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Talk about a misleading statement. You saying Malta and Gibralter are testing better than us?

Our testing is obviously not where it should be. But we are testing at a volume nobody else is even approaching.

The test volume is high. The organization, distribution etc is still sketchy at best.

Tests per million is just not anywhere near a fair measuring approach.

We can manipulate numbers all day doing that. On the flip side, we have tested 4 times as many people as India has. They have 5 times our population. 

That does not mean we are doing great. Just as The Cayman Islands aren't doing better because they are beating us per million.

We are testing more than anybody. Not even debatable. Are we testing efficiently? That's would be a more fair complaint.

55 minutes ago, Hoosierhoopster said:

Exactly, but people hear what they want to hear and then go to efforts to cast doubt on the measures taken that have already shown to be effective in curtailing the virus, wearing masks is critically important, which is why, now, states are turning to mandating masks to bring the spread back into line. 

There may be a few people who argue against wearing a mask. But it is definitely a minority group. Even here, where we see a wide range of views, maybe one or two people are shunning the idea of a mask.

Honestly, I can only think of one poster who ranted against wearing a mask, while coaching.

There has been a wide range of differing opinions here.  But social distancing and wearing a mask seems to be something most everybody here agrees on.

Now go to wal-mart, and clearly that is not the case. Way too many people just are not doing what needs to be done. But I have not seen that approach being defended here.

19 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

This is the truth.  

Oh wait, if I say what you said is the truth, then there actually is some truth, which contradicts what you said.  I'm so confused.  

 

Truly confusing. Which may or may not be true.

FU Corona!

Just now, btownqb said:

I was very disappointed when I heard how rare asymptomatic people were to pass on the virus. Very disappointed. We were fed complete lies about that for 2.5 months and people believed it. 

It will change again tomorrow. The most frustrating thing is there is seemingly no "truth".

3 hours ago, FritzIam4IU said:

Nearing the halfway point...threw some taters on for potato salad later...

FYI...used mostly cherry wood today with a little hickory.

Whoa,  that looks so freaking good!

23 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

Of the 19 deaths he State of Indiana reported today, only 6 of them occurred in the last 7 days.  In fact, 7 of the deaths occurred 30 or more days ago.  Hard to get a good read on what is really happening when the reporting is so fragmented.  

 

It really is frustrating. The information is so dang fragmented. Not just the stats.

I just read a new report on hydroxychloriquine. In Michigan, the doctors are swearing it has saved lives.

The very next article said it has no impact and it will make you grow a 2nd head.

Just seems there is almost no ability to get unfiltered facts or reliable statistics. Everything has an agenda.

No politics!