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19 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

This is the truth.  

Oh wait, if I say what you said is the truth, then there actually is some truth, which contradicts what you said.  I'm so confused.  

 

Truly confusing. Which may or may not be true.

FU Corona!

Just now, btownqb said:

I was very disappointed when I heard how rare asymptomatic people were to pass on the virus. Very disappointed. We were fed complete lies about that for 2.5 months and people believed it. 

It will change again tomorrow. The most frustrating thing is there is seemingly no "truth".

3 hours ago, FritzIam4IU said:

Nearing the halfway point...threw some taters on for potato salad later...

FYI...used mostly cherry wood today with a little hickory.

Whoa,  that looks so freaking good!

23 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

Of the 19 deaths he State of Indiana reported today, only 6 of them occurred in the last 7 days.  In fact, 7 of the deaths occurred 30 or more days ago.  Hard to get a good read on what is really happening when the reporting is so fragmented.  

 

It really is frustrating. The information is so dang fragmented. Not just the stats.

I just read a new report on hydroxychloriquine. In Michigan, the doctors are swearing it has saved lives.

The very next article said it has no impact and it will make you grow a 2nd head.

Just seems there is almost no ability to get unfiltered facts or reliable statistics. Everything has an agenda.

No politics!

4 minutes ago, Lostin76 said:

Not sure what it was, I rarely get sick like that. I think maybe not eating might have had something to do with it. Hadn't eaten that day or the night before. Also, we were so worried that we couldn't be there with her when she passed b/c of COVID precautions. Thankfully, we were able to be with her as she passed in our laps. Probably just an emotional day - she had kind of become our purpose during all of the crap going on in the world.

Thank you, she was such a great pup. Larger than life for such a little dachshund. It's been a week today, so slowly recovering.

Sad.  

We gave two dadchunds right now. One is 12 years old. The other is 15.

They both still do okay, but they certainly are showing signs that have us anxious.   

Sorry man. Dogs are family to many of us.

7 minutes ago, Joe_Hoopsier said:

Finally my Tomatoes, pumpkins and cantaloupe WERE doing well. Now I am transitioning this to the hunting, fishing, killing freaking deer thread. They are all going into the freezer.. 😀

1 hour ago, rico said:

I said in one of my posts earlier that there seems to be a lot of "interpretations" being used as to what is political by the authorities that be.  

I can understand and respect this. All I can say is the line is a tough one.

Politics are underlying in this topic. No way it can not be.

I also know there are a wide rage of political persuasions within the mod team. Some are liberal, some are conservative, and KDB is smart enough that I have no clue on his leanings.

I say that to show that while it may appear we cherry pick, I assure you it is not the case.

We work hard to not let our own views impact how we moderate.

with that said, I can see where you are coming from.

All I can do is explain our efforts, even when we unintentionally send mixed messages.

We are all human, and this stuff is real life that drum up strong opinions.

Keeping the discussion "safe" on a sports message board is dicey.

On 2/23/2020 at 4:52 PM, IU4Ever said:

He hit the game winner against Franklin Central.  He's #2 in this clip.

https://www.indystar.com/videos/sports/high-school/2020/02/22/instant-highlights-westfield-68-franklin-central-66/638910000/

 

Wow, the vision is off the charts. I did a rewind a few times and thought, "how the f#$k did he see that!!?"

6/11/1949...

Hank Williams, Sr., makes his Grand Ole Opry debut

Just now, Billingsley99 said:

Feel free to delete my post I just felt that @5fouls was catching some undue heat IMO. 

Nah, we can just move forward. It's not easy. We have plenty of behind the scenes debates as moderators. And don't always agree, even amongst ourselves. 

Our only option is to debate, vote and present a unified voice. Obviously people can, and will, disagree with some of our decisions. We just ask that everybody respects them and understand we are doing the best we can.   

11 minutes ago, tdhoosier said:

I was speaking more to the new cases graph vs. the deaths graph. 

As for the death's graph, maybe it's an all of the above answer. But societal behavior may influence that too...a little. For example, many of the deaths have come from nursing homes, and distancing policies put in place are much safer for the resident's: no visitors, no leaving, daily temperature checks, etc. 

To further confuse us all. Look at the world wide numbers!

The case graph and death graph are going opposite directions.  

1 minute ago, Billingsley99 said:

I dont have any idea at all and don't want that responsibility.  The comment was partly tongue in cheek and maybe a bad attempt at some humor but in all honesty anyone that finds @5fouls comments as being political I think is being very over zealous 

And 5fouls talked to all of the moderators in private. Expressing his concerns there, respectfully.

6 minutes ago, Billingsley99 said:

I think I understand now, after reading several pages I come to the conclusion that we can discuss just about anything as long as our cited sources are not  CNN or FOX NEWS.  I wanted to capitalize both so no one could say that I was leaning one way or the other. I personally think that our Politics Police are a little over zealous in their interpretations of what is acceptable and what is not. In defense of @5fouls I did not see anything that could be taken as a political shot,  to do so is really stretching.  That's just my opinion which means nothing so carry on

Oh, we are the politics police now? Over zealous?

Walk one day in my shoes dealing with moderating, deleting and answering countless private messages.

You may not like what we do. You may disagree, and you clearly do not understand what I have had to deal with trying to moderate the boards at this time.

But keep posting your insulting messages about us. Keep slamming us.

That will solve it all, or at least make you feel better.

I expected better from you B.

7 minutes ago, tdhoosier said:

I'm just going to guess that it's the effects of social distancing and being careful. Maybe NYC's skew the overall picture too? I think it'd be interesting to see a curve that eliminates NYC. It will be interesting to see what happens in 2 weeks after all the protests and more states opening up. I'd love to see it keep going down. 

I dont know. If it were just social distancing, wouldn't the death graph mirror the case count graph?

The current (albeit it short) trend is the rate of deaths are declining significantly more quickly than the rate of infection.

11 minutes ago, tdhoosier said:

I posted an article last month about a study finding something similar; the virus breaking out into different strains or mutations. At the time I was wondering aloud if this is why the strain that spread in Europe and eventually on the East Coast, seemed to be worse than the one in Asia, which spread on our West Coast. 

There was a bunch of sciencey talk in that article: just to make I'm understanding it correctly (in summary). The virus seems to be shedding genomes as it mutates? And this is similar to how SARS behaved before it went away? If so, I always thought that SARS was contained because it was as infectious and as wide spread. (if anybody has any knowledge into that).

Either way this is definitely a best case scenario; that I hope will play out to be correct. I'm in this stage of anxiety where I'm crossing my fingers for any easy way out, but not holding my breath. 

SARS was definitely caught earlier, and contained much more effectively, early on. Blame China. WHO, whoever. But it is clearly the case.

It is also true that SARS mutated itself to a place it basically self eradicated itself.

There is caution that needs to be practiced. Viruses constantly mutate. 99% of the mutations cause little or no change in how the virus behaves.

Although a virus can mutate and weaken itself, it can also mutate and become significantly more dangerous. 

These constant mutations is also a reason making vaccines can be tricky. The scientists have to study evety mutation and ensure their vaccine attacks the virus in a way that is least likely to be impacted by "predicted mutations".

28 minutes ago, Reacher said:

More and more people coming out saying the virus is weakening. Not as many people getting it and, for those who do, it is not as severe. Italy, Spain, multiple US Drs... Not just some lone Dr anymore.   https://asunow.asu.edu/20200505-asu-scientific-team-finds-new-unique-mutation-coronavirus-study

Something is happening. Virys changing, better treatments? I am not going to pretend to have the answer.

But the number of cases have syed fairly steady, maybe a slight decrease.

The number of deaths is showing a clear decline.

It is still gdangerous, contagious and potentially deadly. So we need to keep our guard up. But it is something.

19 hours ago, 5fouls said:

Are you still watching Bosch?

  I've watched a single episode for the last 30 nights straight.  I prefer to view at a steady pace versus 3-4 episodes at a time.  Anyway, 30 straight nights has got me through Season 3.  Looking forward to the next 30 episodes and getting caught up.  I'm loving every minute of it. Will be kind of sad when I do finish.  Several months before Season 7 drops.

After Bosch, I'm thinking about starting through The Americans.  I only caught part of 1 episode when it was on TV.  I think I'll like it.

 

No. I have this issue, drives my wife crazy.

I find a show I like, I binge watch like crazy through season 1, then I move on to something else. Rarely go onto season 2 of anything.

During the pandemic, I did this with Bosch, The Blacklist (very good), The good place, Lillehammer and a few others. 

2 minutes ago, Hoosierhoopster said:

What we’ve seen around the world, literally, is that the many social distancing and related measures put in place relatively quickly leveled off the virus’s growth, that was of course the intent, and it’s worked, globally. Really isn’t anyone directly disputing that (it really would be absurd).

But viruses can and do mutate over time. They don’t just disappear, but they can change. Could that be partially in play here? That’s above my pay grade. Not going to dismiss that outright, but also not going to believe in the fantasy land idea that it will just go away. I think it’s clear we should continue to wear masks, social distance, and be careful, while we wait in a vaccine. Also think we all need you get back to as normal an economy as we can get 

I do not disagree at all with anything here. As an optimist, it does provide hope.

Will it disappear on its own? Maybe, maybe not. We have to assume no, and hope yes.

It has happened before. If there is any doubt, anybody can go see why SARS died out in 2013.

It would be foolish to bank on it. But it can provide hope for somebody wanting an alternative perspective to all the doomsday we hear 24,/7.

Be smart. Plan for the worst. But hope for the best.

25 minutes ago, Hoosierhoopster said:

I’m sorry it is so patently absurd and ridiculous to tout that Covid just magically is disappearing. There is zero basis for that, why search for ridiculous articles? I’m not sure what motivates you to spout this stuff — But it strikes me as veiled politics, don’t go there, don’t walk that line, we’re not going to tolerate it, don’t pull up politically focused agenda driven “studies”.

the very simple, indisputable fact, is that there is no current vaccine or cure for Covid, it hasn’t magically gone away, it was, rather, limited in its spread by measures that are now being relaxed. They’re being relaxed not because the virus is gone, but because it’s been slowed, it’s economically necessary to get the economy going again, and as we limited it’s spread, if people wear masks and practice social distancing going forward we probably won’t peak again — but that is the necessary part because, again, it’s obviously still here.

I agree there is some clear agenda driven "science" in that article.

But I would also caution folks to realize virus mutate often. covid 19 is a known "fast changer".

The virus going around today can behave very differently than it did even 30 days ago.

This is part of what makes a vaccine very challenging. Scientists need to study every known mutation and adjust accordingly. 

Some changes are insignificant, actually most. But some make the virus quickly become more/less infectious and more/less potent.

It is common knowledge that some viruses mutate themselves out of being a threat before a vaccine is ever created.

It also happens where the changes causes a rapid spike in infections and death.

Not a gamble any of us should take. But I also would not so quickly chalk up improving numbers to be 100% because of social distancing, face masks etc. 

It may be the reason, it may be the natural evolution of the virus, it may be a combination.

My point is, cases and deaths can decrease naturally simply because the virus has changed.

One undeniable truth from that article....

“The strength the virus had two months ago is not the same strength it has today,” said Matteo Bassetti, head of the infectious diseases clinic at the San Martino hospital in the city of Genoa.

“It is clear that today the COVID-19 disease is different.”

Just now, Joe_Hoopsier said:

Starting form about 19APR, why is there a reoccurring trend of a spikes, 4-5 days after a dip? That's a non-normal distribution. Not that I would ever question data gathering/ reporting

reliability.    

You mean the Willis tower buildings stacked back to back? I swear, I see them. (Yeah. I grew up in Chicago)

Here is Texas. Obviously,  if I am there I would approach it differently than I do living in Kentucky.

This is the national graph. The virus is clearly still potent and dangerous.

But the graph has stayed steady or decreased even with increased testing.

Is it not fair to say there is no national spike, while also recognizing it is still a serious threat?

Hey, @jefftherefIs Vince Fill a Vince Gill impersonation act?   😁