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To clarify, it's 2 deaths since May. There have been 44 total deaths related to Covid. A couple of nursing homes got hit hard in April. That' said, it's amazing the panic some are expressing on social media about schools opening.

Clark County, Indiana, where I live, with a population of over 118,000, has had only two Covid related deaths since May 25th, and none since June 22nd. There have been a lot of other things in that time that have caused two people to die. I bring this up because school is scheduled to start next week in all three of the public school districts in the county. Yet, there remains this great fear among a vocal minority about what's going to happen. All 3 districts are offering modified learning experiences for those that want it, yet this small group remains very vocal. They seem to be offended that each of the districts are still offering traditional schooling, without taking into account things like the lack of mortality in the county right now, as well as the fact that single parent and two-income families can't afford to continue to have a learning from home environment. Positive tests have already impacted some of the summer workouts for the high school sports teams. IHSAA mandates related to Covid are strict and very disruptive when a positive case is identified. We can't let knee jerk reactions to totally shot down the schools. People at school will test positive, just as they do for other illnesses throughout the school year. But, in a county with only two deaths in the last two months, there is little justification to impede the education process in the current environment. And, it's not like the county has been this bastion of caution throughout this situation. Masks are just now getting to the point where more than 50% of the people I see out in public have them on.

As are situations when someone under 40 dies. How many headlines do we see about a young person dying of Covid. We see a lot more stories about young people dying of Covid than we do about 85 year old nursing home residents. Yet, older people die much more frequently. And, we don't see a flood of stories about young people dying of cancer, or other diseases.

The damage is that it causes people not to believe other things they hear about Covid. For example, someone will use this as an excuse not to wear a mask. I firmly believe masks to be something that is beneficial in fighting this disease. But, between the politics and the outright dishonesty, it's going to be impossible to unite the country in the fight, which is the only way to win. Crap like this is simply unnecessary.

This is a TV station reporting, so I hope everyone can agree that the source is fairly reputable. So, getting back to our discussion a week or so ago about why doctors/hospitals would cook the books, can someone explain this to me? The article even talks about it. If there are 100 deaths reported, there is still 99 without this one. So, why do it? What is there to gain? Apparently, someone out there thinks there is something to gain, and if it happens once, you can assume it happens more than once.

Unbelievable.

Indiana deaths per 1 million - 419 Texas deaths per 1 million - 139

Meant to quote Reacher

Why would more people wearing masks be sad? Whatever anyone thinks about whether the virus is as bad as some make it out to be, wearing masks will reduce the spread. And, the sooner that happens, the sooner things can get back close to normal.

Not going out and about as much with Covid, you tend to forget about some things. Well, the Fouls family just got back from a quick 5 day vacation. It was a trip with a tight schedule of events, reservations, and just needing to be at a certain place at a certain time. During the trip, this song popped into my mind more than once.

Fixed it for you.

So. If I go to the doctor tomorrow and he tells me I have cancer, but then i die in a car wreck on the way home, is that a cancer death? Why should Covid be different?

Why would the family of the deceased lie? Why would anyone lie about anything?

I agree with you that the majority of doctors are honest, just as the majority of the populace is honest. So, who do we choose to believe? In this case, what makes the doctor more credible than Scott's social worker friend? Are doctors more honorable than social workers? Is a doctor no one on here knows more likely to tell the truth than a good friend of a long time poster?

I mean, c'mon, the Los Angeles Lakers tried to game the system when they applied for one of the SBA program loans. And, let's be honest, the only reason they gave the money back was they got called out on it. If that can happen, why can't we believe that some doctor in Indiana (or anywhere else) has incentive to fudge a cause of death. .

So, doctors are beyond reproach, and would never bend or break the rules? Meanwhile, the 'common' people like Scott's friend, and the family that lost the loved one, are obviously just intent on stirring the pot. That's an elitist point of view. A crisis like this brings out the best in some people, but it also brings out the worst in others. There are absolutely hospital administrators, politicians, business executives, media outlets, etc. that are laying it all on the line to help us in this crisis. But, there are most certainly are others determined to game the system and manipulate the story. Likewise, there are decent 'common' people that are making great sacrifices for the betterment of all, while there are also entitled and foolish people that refuse to wear masks and partake in other risky behaviors. It drives me crazy when people can't accept that there is good and bad at all levels of society. And, unfortunately, more and more people are choosing to pick sides versus choosing to do what's right.

One example of my opinion that a lot of what we are experiencing is 'self-inflicted'. There should not be a reason (monetary or otherwise) to lie about the cause of death. And, even if there is a reason, people in positions of authority should have enough integrity not to do so. I applaud the family for making a stand.

There is a lot of self-inflected damage in the U.S. I can't be more specific than that without violating board rules. I just hope when it's all over that we, as a nation, take a step back and analyze what went wrong. The psychological and emotional toll is going to be as significant, if not more so, than the physical one. And, a lot of that could have been prevented.

I used to have a great list, but I've forgotten what was on it.

Truth be told, those 20,000 for the whole country days were likely the result of lack of testing. The article I posted above that indicates 2 clinics in New York City showing over 60% with antibodies would indicate that, as high as teh numbers reported in New York were, the reality is they were likely quite a bit higher.

Italy is now 13th place in number of cases by country.

https://www.espn.com/racing/nascar/cup/story/_/id/29440656/jimmie-johnson-confused-frustrated-virus-scare

68% of people tested in single clinic in Queens had coronavirus antibodies, data suggests From CNN's Jacqueline Howard New coronavirus antibody testing data suggests there to be large disparities among neighborhoods hit hardest by the pandemic across New York City, separated by race and class — but more research is needed to confirm the extent of the differences. Data from CityMD urgent care medical clinics show that more than 68% of people tested positive for antibodies at a clinic in the working-class neighborhood of Corona, Queens, and 56% tested positive at another clinic in Jackson Heights, Queens. Yet only 13% of people tested positive for antibodies at a clinic in Cobble Hill, a mostly white and wealthy neighborhood in Brooklyn. The data were first reported in The New York Times on Thursday and a spokesperson for CityMD confirmed to CNN in an email on Friday that "it's accurate." Even though the majority of people tested in those clinics had antibodies, that data do not reflect how many people in the neighborhoods themselves may have antibodies — because some patients in the clinics may not live in the neighborhoods where the clinics are located. Overall, nationwide data has been clear that Black and Brown communities across the United States have experienced higher rates of hospitalization or death from Covid-19 than White communities. As of June 12, hospitalization rates among Black and American Indian or Alaska Native people were about five times that of White people, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Hispanic or Latino people have a rate about four times that of White people.