tdhoosier

If it’s them against the world then so be it. Whatever brings them together to win games. I hope they unite even more in the B1G tournament and win the thing. It sure beats watching this teams fall asleep for long stretches. 

Maybe this is Woody’s version of taking the heat off the players, like how Knight used to do. I don’t know. 

Woody is going to be back next season and he’s got two tall feats: hitting a home run in the portal and then getting those players to gel. I don’t think that this will work, but I hope he proves me wrong. 

25 minutes ago, Hoosier4Life53 said:

He averaged 20.8 pts per game, 92% from the FT line and 38.4% from three. Somebody will grab him in a hurry, but we should be in good shape to get him, if he enters the portal.

Awesome that he’s doing so well. Does he play defense better than his brother?

7 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

You coach swimming right? And I'm sure you're good at it...But I'm also sure not every swimmer reaches his or her potential under your tutelage...Like I said, "Horse to water."

You can only provide the environment, the tools, and the knowledge and guidance to help someone else succeed...

I'll back Mike Woodson as a coach until the day he is no longer the basketball coach at Indiana...

But I'll back him as a man til the day he dies...Just too much evidence that he's a good man with good intentions to ignore...

Swimming is an individual sport, so individual development is all that matters. Thus, you’re analogy is not apt. 

In team sports individual success doesn’t always correlate to team success on the court, field, ice, etc. 

In team sports individual success can also be dependent on the athlete being put in a place with in a system to succeed. We don’t have a ‘system’ in swimming. So, for me, an evaluation of an athlete’s development is way more black and white. 

28 minutes ago, BGleas said:

As far as development goes, I think Mike Woodson clearly helped develop TJD. Some of TJD's development was also just natural year-to-year progression, but Woodson definitely helped. 

Under Woodson, TJD became a better passer and ball handler, played with an improved motor, etc.

Did Woodson run him through ball handling drills in the offseason? I don't know. But, I'm sure he spent a lot of time talking to him about passing, pushing the ball, etc, etc. 

Woodson put him in a position to be comfortable grabbing a rebound and pushing the ball, etc. 

With all of that said, I'd argue the opposite with Miller Kopp. I think Woodson did a terrible job developing and utilizing Kopp and some other guys. 

I think Miller could’ve been utilized way better. I don’t see much development of Gunn and Banks and I don’t think they are given much of a chance to succeed because this offense isn’t good for wings (and 4’s playing the wing). Tamar Bates didn’t develop here, but is developing at Mizzou. MM has a ton of talent, but nothing he gets comes easy. 

With McNeely, the writing was on the wall. 

And if you look at successful teams in CBB they are stacked with athletic wings who are play makers. 

I will admit Woody has has some success at developing players at the ‘top of the pyramid’, but has been unsuccessful at developing the players who build the foundation of the program. And without any foundational pieces, It’s only a matter of time until everything from a systematic standpoint will begin collapsing. That happened this year. I don’t see it being any better next year because the cupboard is now almost complete bare.  

7 minutes ago, MrsStoller said:

The booing is cringy for me personally, definitely not a fan of it being directed towards the players.

I agree. Honestly, I’d rather one boycott the game if they are mad. A half empty Assembly Hall would prove a greater point. 

2 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

Lnecht never visited.  They didn't name names.  People ran with Love as that one fell apart right after he left campus (which would match the story).

Man, if true, how frustrating would it be for the assistant who did all the leg work in getting the visit?

3 minutes ago, BGleas said:

They said it was on a campus visit, right? It really seemed like they were talking about Knect or maybe Caleb Love, but I don't think either of those guys ever visited. 

Yeah. On campus visit. The only one I can remember for sure visiting was Ledlum. There was a lot a buzz about him coming in but after he visited, things went silent. 

1 hour ago, IUCrazy2 said:

The most important part of that starts around the 15:30 mark.  I don't know how you invite someone to your program and don't even bother to learn their name.

Did this go over my head but do we know what transfer recruit he was referring to? Ledlum? Knecht?

21 minutes ago, RoadToZion said:

Adding a bit more context here. Our convo was comparing Crean and Pearl. "Those guys are fierce. Mike seems to sleepwalk". 

Does this guy still talk to Jordy? 

1 minute ago, Southern IN Hoosier said:

My prediction...

Galloway, Malik, Mgbako, Leal, Cupps, Banks, CJ, Ware, Xavier, and Walker are all gone. Either graduating, transferring or going pro/moving on.

10+ scholarship openings. What could go wrong?

I don't think this happens, but if it does then Woody's not coming back.....he just can't. 

2 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Replacing Tom Crean with Archie Miller in hindsight is just... Top 3 most laughable things. Hilarious. 

We were so hungry for defense at the time, we forgot about every other aspect of the game. And worse, the defense we got was satisfactory at best. 

Just now, kyhoosier29 said:

Yet, we won’t run a lineup like that much on Sun. Guaranteed!

I mean, we only did because Malik was in foul trouble, right? 

I’m afraid the best case scenario for this decommitment is also a double edged sword.

Best case - Liam was told that Mgbako is coming back. BUT that’d mean MM will be playing the 3 again and Woody will be on the hunt for another starter at the 5 in the portal. 

18 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Amongst many other things, that is the problem with keeping him another year. Where does this end next season?

How bad does it have to get next season to fire him? If he squeaks into the play-in round or say a 10 seed in March, is that "improvement" and Woodson and Buckner try to sell it was a "get right" year and he now has things heading in the right direction?

Where does this end?

This. My question is what is considered success?

Once upon a time Davis was fired for missing the tournament. Crean was fired for missing the tournament (after a B1G title). Would squeaking into the tournament next year (Woody’s 4th year!) now be considered success? 

Has the bar been lowered that much? 

I really hope Dolson and co made this decision thinking Woody can really turn things around, rather than trying to be ‘fair’. 

15 hours ago, Hoosier987 said:

I was saying in the game thread how I like the line up with Ware as the only big. Below is a film session clip; the play at 1.30 was one I kept thinking about after the game. XJ was hard hedged - passes to who Ware flashed to the nail - and then Ware hit a cutting Walker on the baseline for a layup. Minny kept getting burned every time they hard hedged, and to my recollection, they were doing that when we were playing 3 guards and walker or MM were at the 4. Look how much it opens up the floor. 

The spacing was better overall on Wednesday, but it was even better when Malik was not on the floor. 

9 minutes ago, DC2345 said:

That's what's going on. Simons and Buckner weren't on board with a change so Woodson is back with a lot of NIL money. Basically IU is planning on buying a team in the portal. So we'll see what happens. What could go wrong?

we pull in 4 front players and a guard?

5 minutes ago, ledies22 said:

keep on posting. They have options. They can go somewhere else, or not read your posts, or take them as absolute. 

Thanks for your information.

FTR, never my intention to silence @DC2345 or anybody else on bringing nuggets to the board. 100% respect DC and appreciate his contributions - this is a fan forum after all. Doesn't mean I can't question the source - especially after what happened yesterday. 

2 minutes ago, Indykev said:

Yeah after the last week some sources need to be named. I put where I was getting info out there this week.  To many swing and misses by the same guys.

Since a lot of it was coming from the other board, I'm guessing it was the same sources that said we had Stevens in the bag and Billy Donovan was house shopping in Bloomington. BTB is the wild west. I appreciate Chris sharing info he is hearing, and to his credit he does try to caveat the info he's sharing, but many on that board take it like it's the gospel - speculation is echo'd so much that it eventually becomes perceived as fact....and then conclusions are made based on those false facts. Everything is whipped up into a frenzy over there....and it happens quickly.

Just now, DC2345 said:

Couple of Ohio schools want him and he doesn't like Woodson's system.  

You're speaking in absolutes. Hope you're not basing that on the same sources who were completely wrong this past week.

3 minutes ago, DC2345 said:

More than that. Cupps is likely gone too.

I'm basing it all on my gut feeling, but I don't know why this would be the case. 

Cupps got an awful lot of minutes and will probably get a good amount next year too. I think he's more of a microwave bench player in D1 - I think he can play that role here. 

Just need to layout my thoughts to get a grasp on our situation. Feel free to agree or disagree.

Best case scenario, we need 5 players from the portal?
Gallo
Leal - posisble graduation?
Sparks
Gunn - transfer?
Banks - transfer?
Renau
Ware - nba?
Newton - healthy?
Cupps
Mgbako - doubtful to NBA?
McNeely
open
open

*red = likely departure (gut feeling - no knowledge)
*yellow = possible departure/unable to play

Portal Needs (in order of importance) - my opinion
1. starting PG
2. shooting Guard/wing
3. back up 4/5
4. back up combo guard/ball handler
5. back up wing

Portal Needs (in order of importance) - what I think Woody will do 
1. Starting PG
2. Starting 5
3. back up 4
4. back up combo guard
5. leave it open (I intended this to be a joke, but it wouldn't surprise me)

 

Fox looks like one of those adults who still plays Pokémon 

2 minutes ago, Joe_Hoopsier said:

Please god, there's 12 minutes left. DON'T start teh stall ball yet !!

That will start when 4:00 is left on clock. 

I like when ware is in there sans Malik. 

10 minutes ago, tdhoosier said:

I’d love to se them finally close out the first half. 

A 5 point lead when I posted this. A 5 point lead going into halftime. 

I’ll consider it a win.