rico Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Purdue7 said: If IU mucks Fichigan they are in ? loser leaves town Or do they 100% need Illini win too? Depends on which bracketologist you talk to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdue7 Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 Rutgers is 12-8 in conference Historically that’s a lock until you throw in a loss to Lafayette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 18 minutes ago, Purdue7 said: If IU mucks Fichigan they are in ? loser leaves town Or do they 100% need Illini win too? We beat Michigan and we COULD be in. Probably 75/25 we are in depending on outcome of other tournaments. Now, if Illinois turns around and beats us by 30, that will make a difference as well compared as if we lose by 2. I'm not confident that we can beat Michigan though. Probably our two worst matchups (UM and Illinois) back to back. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, Purdue7 said: Rutgers is 12-8 in conference Historically that’s a lock until you throw in a loss to Lafayette Rutgers is in. They are playing well at the right time. Getting the 4 seed in BTT sealed it if it was not already. Hard to justify leaving the 4 seed out and taking seeds 5-8. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUJoe Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 1 hour ago, 5fouls said: Rutgers is in. They are playing well at the right time. Getting the 4 seed in BTT sealed it if it was not already. Hard to justify leaving the 4 seed out and taking seeds 5-8. While I agree with you, it happened to us in Mike Davis’ next-to-last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 14 minutes ago, IUJoe said: While I agree with you, it happened to us in Mike Davis’ next-to-last year. Our record that year was worse than Rutgers, and I dont remember the exact # of teams from the B1G that got in that season, but it wasn't 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippopotamo Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 Conference standings literally mean nothing in the eyes of the committee. It‘s about who you beat and who beats you. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, Hippopotamo said: Conference standings literally mean nothing in the eyes of the committee. It‘s about who you beat and who beats you. This /\ We will see a ton of examples on Sunday of the committee not seeding teams according to their conference finish. Rutgers probably does get in, but if conference finish really was a factor they'd be the 4th highest seeded Big Ten team and they certainly won't be that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 2 hours ago, 5fouls said: Yep. I was at that game. Went in as the 11 (last seed at the time) and almost pulled it off. Saw the first 4 BTT in their entirity. Even in my most anti-Illini state I was kind of pulling for them. Was a remarkable stretch for sure! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadToZion Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 I still think if we beat Michigan we are in. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUJoe Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Our record that year was worse than Rutgers, and I dont remember the exact # of teams from the B1G that got in that season, but it wasn't 8. They took seeds 1-7 except for us at 4. And yes, our record was worse but we played a killer schedule and had none of the types of bad home losses that Rutgers had pre- conference. Again, I agree with you, but there is precedent for skipping over a team and taking the next several. Edited March 7, 2022 by IUJoe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Hippopotamo said: Conference standings literally mean nothing in the eyes of the committee. It‘s about who you beat and who beats you. Yes. They do. It's a natural relationship. If you finish 4th and are being compared to the team that finished 9th because of a similar overall record, that usually means 1 of 3 things - The team that finished 4th beat the team that finished 9th. - The team that finished 4th beat some good teams that the one that finished 9th didnt. - The team that finished 9th lost to some below average teams that the team that finished 4th didnt. So, even though our overall record is basically the same as Rutgers, they finished 3 games ahead if us in the conference standings. I haven't memorized their schedule, but I can easily give you two reasons why that happened. 1) They beat us 2) They beat Purdue Those two things dont happen and both teams finish 10-10 in conference. The standings change at that point. Factor in that Rutgers got the 4 seed over two other teams that went 12-8 and that means they held the tie-breakers, which says their conference resume is better. You cant separate the 'quality' of the resume from standings. Edited March 7, 2022 by 5fouls 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 Losing to Lafayette will have no bearing on Rutgers getting in or not. Not one iota. If IU beats Michigan and the committee only has room for 8 Big Ten teams, the decision is going to be between IU and Michigan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 For those interested tonight Louisiana plays to win Sun Belt conference. Team we beat by 32 earlier this year winning a conference championship can't look bad on paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Losing to Lafayette will have no bearing on Rutgers getting in or not. Not one iota. If IU beats Michigan and the committee only has room for 8 Big Ten teams, the decision is going to be between IU and Michigan. And I think IU would get that bid. Beating Michigan not only gives IU another quality win but maybe even more importantly it gives Michigan their 14th loss. This is why I struggle with people saying Michigan is in, unless they run the table in Indy how many 14 loss teams have made the tournament historically? It can't be many. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 (edited) I'm going to continue to beat this dead horse. Because Rutgers was able to beat Purdue, Iowa, MSU, Michigan, Ohio State, Illinois, and Indiana, they were able to finish 4th in the B1G. That's 7 wins against the top 9 in the conference. IU has 2 wins against that same group. So yes, WHO they beat is a lot more impressive. But you cant ignore that by winning those games, it impacted the conference standings. You simply cant ignore the correlation. Standings matter because it means you did better against common opposition. Edited March 7, 2022 by 5fouls 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdue7 Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 Loser of IU v Michigan is gone 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 47 minutes ago, 5fouls said: I'm going to continue to beat this dead horse. Because Rutgers was able to beat Purdue, Iowa, MSU, Michigan, Ohio State, Illinois, and Indiana, they were able to finish 4th in the B1G. That's 7 wins against the top 9 in the conference. IU has 2 wins against that same group. So yes, WHO they beat is a lot more impressive. But you cant ignore that by winning those games, it impacted the conference standings. You simply cant ignore the correlation. Standings matter because it means you did better against common opposition. I think we all agree Rutgers is in at this point... But if it was because of conference standings, then they'd be the fourth highest B1G team in the NCAA seeding and we all know that won't be the case. They're ahead of teams like IU and UM on the bubble because they have a better overall resume. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogue3542 Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 My "scientific" predictions: IU loses to Michigan: 10% we get in if the stars align perfectly IU beats UM, loses to ILL: 90% we get in unless the stars align against us IU beats UM, beats ILL: 100% in 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: I think we all agree Rutgers is in at this point... But if it was because of conference standings, then they'd be the fourth highest B1G team in the NCAA seeding and we all know that won't be the case. They're ahead of teams like IU and UM on the bubble because they have a better overall resume. Seeding is a different animal. But, even with unbalanced conference schedules, conference finish is a critical component of comparing resumes. Since schools play such a wide range of out of conference schedules, conference records are effective in determining the following. - How teams did against common competition - How teams are playing at end of year Edited March 7, 2022 by 5fouls 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy1987 Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Seeding is a different animal. But, even with unbalanced conference schedules, conference finish is a critical component of comparing resumes. Since schools play such a wide range of out of conference schedules, conference records are effective in determining the following. - How teams did against common competition - How teams are playing at end of year First off I think Rutgers is in. Only thing that could put them on the bubble is maybe if Nebraska keeps winning and they were to lose to them on Friday badly. Their overall body of work is a head scratcher. The 3 game losing stretch to DePaul, Lafayette and UMASS is pretty hard to erase(hence the 76 NET). Then throw in some bottom feeder Big 10 losses(Penn State, MD, Minnesota and Northwestern). Rutgers really benefits from UM and IU playing each other. Loser gotta go. No way the commitment takes nine. Go Hoosiers!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 21 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Seeding is a different animal. But, even with unbalanced conference schedules, conference finish is a critical component of comparing resumes. Since schools play such a wide range of out of conference schedules, conference records are effective in determining the following. - How teams did against common competition - How teams are playing at end of year Seeding isn’t a different animal than who gets in, it’s the same formulas then they just have to tweak things to make sure conferences are spread out appropriately. But they seed teams 1-68 to select the field, it’s the same process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 3 hours ago, Purdue7 said: Rutgers is 12-8 in conference Historically that’s a lock until you throw in a loss to Lafayette And UMASS and DePaul 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, 5fouls said: Losing to Lafayette will have no bearing on Rutgers getting in or not. Not one iota. If IU beats Michigan and the committee only has room for 8 Big Ten teams, the decision is going to be between IU and Michigan. They really don't look at conference affiliations at all in the selection process. They don't count how many teams in a conference are in and say that is enough. Edited March 7, 2022 by IU Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 1 hour ago, IU Scott said: They really don't look at conference affiliations at all in the selection process. They don't count how many teams in a conference are in and say that is enough. Never said they did. My point is that that if Team #68 & Team #69 are Big Ten squads, it's going to be Michigan and Indiana in those spots. Rutgers is sitting somewhere in the mid to late 50's in teams under consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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