OGIUAndy Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 OTL: Michigan State secrets extend far beyond Larry Nassar case http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/22214566/pattern-denial-inaction-information-suppression-michigan-state-goes-larry-nassar-case-espn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 MSU is in big trouble. I will be surprised if Izzo and Dantoni have jobs in six months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 Izzo and Dantonio should both lose their jobs. Honestly the entire athletic department should be burned to the ground and have to start from scratch. But I have no faith in the NCAA to handle this correctly. Hell, they basically walked back everything they did to Penn State. This will end in infuriating fashion, just like the UNC scandal did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlboiler23 Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 Good. The whole “family atmosphere” crap that Izzo spewed was and is complete garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bstall76 Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 This is going to end badly for MSU, if in nothing other than public opinion, but hopefully in more serious ways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bstall76 Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Stlboiler23 said: Good. The whole “family atmosphere” crap that Izzo spewed was and is complete garbage. Not really families protect each other and that is exactly what MSU did at the expense of who knows how many women. It is disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephul Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 "Schaner had moved into Wonders Hall that weekend and attended an orientation meeting. Though she did not know who they were, she saw top basketball recruits Adreian Payne and Keith Appling during the orientation, but she did not speak to them. Later that evening, Schaner ran into them in the dorm's lobby and talked with them before she accepted an invitation to go back to their room, where the three started playing miniature basketball. The two men began taking their clothes off with each missed basket, but Schaner told police she refused to take off any more than her T-shirt, under which she was wearing a sports bra. She told police the two men ended up cornering her and turning off the lights. She told police she felt trapped and fearful of refusing their advances. Appling, she told police, removed her underwear, and then the two men pulled her to the ground and started penetrating her vaginally, anally and orally. She told police that she said to the men, "I don't want it," "stop" and "don't." In a video interview obtained by Outside the Lines, Payne told detectives that Schaner had indicated she wanted to leave. According to a police report, Payne told officers that he could "understand how she would feel that she was not free to leave." Payne was concerned about her reaction to the circumstances and had even asked Appling to apologize to her, the report stated. Payne told officers that he had apologized to Schaner because "it seemed she felt that they 'disrespected' her." ESPN does not typically identify people who report acts of sexual violence, but Schaner sought to publicly reveal her identity. Appling did not talk to detectives at the time, but he granted a phone interview with Outside the Lines late last year while he was in jail near Detroit serving time for a weapons charge." "It was consensual," he says, adding that he never heard Schaner say "no" or "stop." "Had that been the case, I would have completely granted her her wishes. We're not even those type of guys. We wouldn't want anybody to feel uncomfortable around us." I lost all respect for Izzo after this broke a few years ago... And I love the last statement by Appling, who did the interview from his prison cell. "We're not even those types of guys"... What a damn idiot. What has happened to society?! Men beating women on a daily basis like it's nothing. My parents would have been the living $hit out of me had I ever disrespected a woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosrnight Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 The more I see stuff like this around college basketball, the happier I am we had Crean for the last decade. I’m pretty confident that scandals like this won’t hit us from his tenure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 17 minutes ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: Izzo and Dantonio should both lose their jobs. Honestly the entire athletic department should be burned to the ground and have to start from scratch. But I have no faith in the NCAA to handle this correctly. Hell, they basically walked back everything they did to Penn State. This will end in infuriating fashion, just like the UNC scandal did. Think this will be more like Baylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephul Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, Stlboiler23 said: Good. The whole “family atmosphere” crap that Izzo spewed was and is complete garbage. Agreed 100%. Izzo's a complete dirtbag. I don't see how any MSU fan can stand behind that. If Archie pulled crap like that, I'd want his ass out of IU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagamore Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 I knew about the nerf thing with Appling and Payne but it appears Sparty is in some deep doo-doo. Throw the book at them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slojoe Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 I remember the Appling/Payne incident. The result just never seemed right to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 Is it okay to call Izzo a jackass now? Or am I still just bitter he beat us, even though I referenced this a week ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlboiler23 Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 Just now, KoB2011 said: Is it okay to call Izzo a jackass now? Or am I still just bitter he beat us, even though I referenced this a week ago. Sure is. He’s a jackass. Dantonio is too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reacher Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 Lengthy article but well worth the read. In addition to Payne and Appling, Walton is the other player/coach mentioned. Let's see if Izzo decides to "retire" before the heat gets too hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 Is there any parent here that would be comfortable sending their child to MSU at this point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagamore Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 IMHO. Dane Fife could be "collateral damage" as well, considering the depth and time of these OTL allegations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CampHoosier Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 There will be an initial strong set of statements followed up by nothing. Penn State should not exist anymore yet they're competing for B1G Championships. Money will always be more important than morals. Always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cohete15 Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 Izzo probably isn’t going anywhere. He’s such a great guy!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cohete15 Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 The Adrian Payne + Keith Appling thing is appalling as is. Is Izzo a Pitino disciple? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 I wonder what Crean will have to say about this. Izzo is like a brother to him. And if this does come to fruition would MSU consider hiring Crean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Ballin Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said: I wonder what Crean will have to say about this. Izzo is like a brother to him. And if this does come to fruition would MSU consider hiring Crean? I would say, for our sake, let's hope so. But would Crean want to take over a second dumpster fire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 minute ago, 3Ballin said: I would say, for our sake, let's hope so. But would Crean want to take over a second dumpster fire? It's the only way he will get another big time job IMO. He could get an NC State level job probably now, but a program like MSU or UL won't hire him unless they have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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