Steubenhoosier Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 1 minute ago, IndyResident16 said: 6 tournaments since 2008 is a fact, not an opinion. For a supposed basketball school, that’s horrid. Indiana’s 71-110 record in football since 2008 is a fact, not an opinion. It’s the worst record of any B10 team who has been a full-time member at the time of Glass’ hiring. Still have not provided any information that qualifies you to make the statements you make. Is it that hard to read what is asked of you and respond appropriately? What qualifications do you have that gives you the expertise to make the claims you make? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 1 minute ago, Hoosier987 said: He stated some hard facts. It’s OK to admit we’ve sucked for the better part of 2 decades. He didn’t answer the question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyResident16 Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 4 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: He didn’t answer the question lol. Cope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyhoosier29 Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 22 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: These are all your opinions. You have no facts to back up what you are claiming. Your posts are based on an agenda that doesn’t support the facts. Keep trying though. And for the mods who agree that I am disrespectful, or a bully… Provide some facts that we are the worst P5 run university. Otherwise, state that your blather is nothing more than your opinion. I’m starting to think you are a family member of Woody or somebody in the athletic department because you seem thrilled with mediocrity. No offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 Just now, IndyResident16 said: lol. Cope Again. Deflecting because you can’t answer the request. You are just some schmo who wants to take shots at the program because it isn’t meeting your expectations. You have not provided any evidence that you have the qualifications to judge the coaching staff . Just another guy who wants to blow hard. Cope or don’t. I couldn’t care less 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, kyhoosier29 said: I’m starting to think you are a family member of Woody or somebody in the athletic department because you seem thrilled with mediocrity. No offense. No offense taken. Not thrilled with the current state of the team. Not thrilled with you or anyone who thinks that there needs to be a change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyResident16 Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 3 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: Again. Deflecting because you can’t answer the request. You are just some schmo who wants to take shots at the program because it isn’t meeting your expectations. You have not provided any evidence that you have the qualifications to judge the coaching staff . Just another guy who wants to blow hard. Cope or don’t. I couldn’t care less I’ve given you cold hard facts about the state of the two sports who generate money for this university. Neither are any good and haven’t been for awhile. I get it, you’re happy to support the university through the thick and thin. It’s admirable. But for those of us who live in the real world, the product sucks. And inept leadership at the top has played a massive part. When you hire a bunch of clowns, you should expect the circus. You get what you pay for. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyhoosier29 Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: No offense taken. Not thrilled with the current state of the team. Not thrilled with you or anyone who thinks that there needs to be a change I’m sorry? It’s okay. Relax man. It’s an opinion either way. I would PREFER that Woody win every game left on the schedule, fix the reoccurring problems we’ve seen and knock it out of the park next year. I just don’t think he can or will. We ALL knew what needed to be addressed in the offseason and it wasn’t. Doesn’t mean he didn’t try, but it’s his job to get it done and he’s getting paid handsomely to do it. You seem to take things awfully personal for some reason. End of the day, this is entertainment for me, and although I’d say it’s important to me, it’s nowhere near the top of my list. Edited February 6 by kyhoosier29 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyResident16 Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 8 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: No offense taken. Not thrilled with the current state of the team. Not thrilled with you or anyone who thinks that there needs to be a change Apathy is a terrible look. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said: I’ve given you cold hard facts about the state of the two sports who generate money for this university. Neither are any good and haven’t been for awhile. I get it, you’re happy to support the university through the thick and thin. It’s admirable. But for those of us who live in the real world, the product sucks. And inept leadership at the top has played a massive part. When you hire a bunch of clowns, you should expect the circus. You get what you pay for. You cannot answer a simple question. Nothing you say has any validity. Either you provide evidence that you have the business acumen to prove your claims or stfu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 Just now, IndyResident16 said: Apathy is a terrible look. So is talking out of your rear end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, kyhoosier29 said: I’m sorry? It’s okay. Relax man. It’s an opinion either way. I would PREFER that Woody win every game left on the schedule, fix the reoccurring problems we’ve seen and knock it out of the park next year. I just don’t think he can or will. We ALL knew what needed to be addressed in the offseason and it wasn’t. Doesn’t mean he didn’t try, but it’s his job to get it done and he’s getting paid handsomely to do it. You seem to take things awfully personal for some reason. End of the day, this entertainment for me, and although I’d say it’s important to me, it’s nowhere near the top of my list. At least you are willing to state that your posts are opinions. Appreciate that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyResident16 Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 3 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: So is talking out of your rear end 28 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said: 6 tournaments since 2008 is a fact, not an opinion. For a supposed basketball school, that’s horrid. Indiana’s 71-110 record in football since 2008 is a fact, not an opinion. It’s the worst record of any B10 team who has been a full-time member at the time of Glass’ hiring. OPiNIOnS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 (edited) 31 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said: 6 tournaments since 2008 is a fact, not an opinion. For a supposed basketball school, that’s horrid. Indiana’s 71-110 record in football since 2008 is a fact, not an opinion. It’s the worst record of any B10 team who has been a full-time member at the time of Glass’ hiring. I can understand bringing up basketball but blaming any AD for IUs football woes is just silly. I'm going to assume you attended games at memorial stadium before they started closing off the ends and making upgrades. Now that was an abysmal facility. I think Memorial Stadium now is pretty nice. No reason for more when we can't fill it up now. Edited February 6 by mrflynn03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyResident16 Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 1 minute ago, mrflynn03 said: I can understand bringing up basketball but blaming any AD for IUs football woes is just silly. I'm going to assume you attended games at memorial stadium before they started closing off the ends. Now that was an abysmal facility. Was a de-facto season ticket holder for almost 30 years until I gave up my basketball tickets after Glass hired Archie. The stadium facelifts are an improvement but doesn’t even begin to scratch what I’m talking about. IU football doesn’t even have its own weight room and Mellencamp is about as dated as it comes in regards to our B10 peers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Inequality Posted February 6 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 6 Change direction of the conversation to one that avoids direct finger pointing of other members. Folks this is a one and only warning. We damn well will keep things civil here on this board or there will be some people on the outside looking in. This is a IU fan message board. Its not new for the boards discussion or attitude as a whole to be a direct reflection of the current state of the program or results in general. The team does well. Everyone is happy. The team tanks, that’s where the division starts and things start to go off the rails. It’s part of it but stay civil. If you don’t like a certain conversation, find another thread. If you’re not happy because someone else doesn’t feel the same as you do, just walk away. We aren’t going to change each others minds. Especially by taking things personal. Good grief guys. How old are we again? This has always been a respectful, civil board. The members here are what makes it great. Sometimes you have to weed out a bad apple or two save the bunch. Don't make the mod team hold your hand. We are 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 & 70 year old adults. Let’s show each other respect. I said yesterday I’m not going to explain to a bunch of grown adults why we should maintain a level of respect for each other yet here I am. The great thing about this board has also been its ability to self moderate because of the respect we all have for each other as people. That will return here or we are gonna weed out the problems until it does. End of discussion. Final warning. This isn’t debate able. The mod team doesn’t get paid. HF pays for this site from his own pocket so we all have a place to gather and discuss. Have some respect going forward. Please. 13 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 2 hours ago, IUFLA said: 😁 Was this the scene were the townsfolk didn't want to change to something more modern? And they ended up being very wrong, yeah? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledies22 Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 11 hours ago, IUJoe said: The fact that you don't agree with their decisions doesn't make them amateurs or unqualified. Plenty of universities, including Notre Dame, have hired ADs without any previous AD experience. All of them, including Glass and Dolson, were certainly more qualified than anybody spending 18 hours a day on message boards criticizing them. I cant like this enough. Some guys just love to come out a spew garbage to see what sticks to the wall. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 I’m a fan of Dolson because of what he has done for the entire sports program and you can not question his allegiance to IU. He was a student manager under Bob Knight and spent most of his career raising money for and working with the sports program. I’m not sure you could replace him with someone who is as attached to the Donor base and wants IU to win as much as he does. Look at the money that has been raised in a drop of a hat. One does not raise this money if donors do not believe in his vision, and if they are not going to get a return on their investment. Even before he was AD he spent the majority of his career working with IU and was committed to upgrading facilities because we were way behind. The facilities have improved greatly in the last 10 years and is still a work in progress. This is not something that a finger can just be snapped at, getting the money, the planning, and actual construction does take time. I’m not sure how anybody complain how Dolson has handled the facility upgrades - a project is constantly in the works. In fact, multiple projects are. The sports programs overall are doing outstanding. The student athlete GPA’s are among the best in the country. So that brings us to the elephants in the room: basketball and football. Football - After the 2020 season, you could not find me one AD in America that wouldn’t have extended Allen’s contract. My friends and family are big Michigan fans and even they were talking about how they’d love to have him as their head coach. Nothing like recent success inflates the perception of a coach. IU is nothing more than a stepping stone for most coaches. At the time, you MUST make that move. This past year he raised money for the Allen buyout ($20 mil for our football program!) and executed an almost flawless coaching hire. According to Cig, he said ‘no’ the first time, but Dolson went back and got the guy he wanted. Basketball - IF Buckner was really the one to make the Woody hire, then the decision was taken out of Dolson’s hands. If anything, Dolson foresaw the learning curve, went out and hired his buddy Thad Matta and got Dane Fife. If a coaching change needs to be made in the future, I’d want Dolson to be in charge of it. JMHO. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fkfootball Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 Mike Woodson is probably the 13th or 14th best coach in the Big Ten. I can't believe people are still defending him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 19 minutes ago, tdhoosier said: I’m a fan of Dolson because of what he has done for the entire sports program and you can not question his allegiance to IU. He was a student manager under Bob Knight and spent most of his career raising money for and working with the sports program. I’m not sure you could replace him with someone who is as attached to the Donor base and wants IU to win as much as he does. Look at the money that has been raised in a drop of a hat. One does not raise this money if donors do not believe in his vision, and if they are not going to get a return on their investment. Even before he was AD he spent the majority of his career working with IU and was committed to upgrading facilities because we were way behind. The facilities have improved greatly in the last 10 years and is still a work in progress. This is not something that a finger can just be snapped at, getting the money, the planning, and actual construction does take time. I’m not sure how anybody complain how Dolson has handled the facility upgrades - a project is constantly in the works. In fact, multiple projects are. The sports programs overall are doing outstanding. The student athlete GPA’s are among the best in the country. So that brings us to the elephants in the room: basketball and football. Football - After the 2020 season, you could not find me one AD in America that wouldn’t have extended Allen’s contract. My friends and family are big Michigan fans and even they were talking about how they’d love to have him as their head coach. Nothing like recent success inflates the perception of a coach. IU is nothing more than a stepping stone for most coaches. At the time, you MUST make that move. This past year he raised money for the Allen buyout ($20 mil for our football program!) and executed an almost flawless coaching hire. According to Cig, he said ‘no’ the first time, but Dolson went back and got the guy he wanted. Basketball - IF Buckner was really the one to make the Woody hire, then the decision was taken out of Dolson’s hands. If anything, Dolson foresaw the learning curve, went out and hired his buddy Thad Matta and got Dane Fife. If a coaching change needs to be made in the future, I’d want Dolson to be in charge of it. JMHO. Co-sign. I think Dolson has done a really good job. He's going to be judged by what happens with basketball and football in the coming years, rightfully so, but right now I think he has handled things appropriately (to put it mildly) with both. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyResident16 Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 18 minutes ago, tdhoosier said: Football - After the 2020 season, you could not find me one AD in America that wouldn’t have extended Allen’s contract. My friends and family are big Michigan fans and even they were talking about how they’d love to have him as their head coach. Nothing like recent success inflates the perception of a coach. IU is nothing more than a stepping stone for most coaches. At the time, you MUST make that move. Huge difference between rewarding a guy after a nice season and doing what Dolson did for a guy who wasn't considered a flight risk. Big difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fkfootball Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said: Huge difference between rewarding a guy after a nice season and doing what Dolson did for a guy who wasn't considered a flight risk. Big difference. Indiana needs to stop giving extensions to people who haven't won anything meaningful. Allen got one without a Bowl win. Woodson got one with "1" NCAA Tournament win. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said: Huge difference between rewarding a guy after a nice season and doing what Dolson did for a guy who wasn't considered a flight risk. Big difference. A nice season? We haven't been ranked in the top 10 in my lifetime. Beat Michigan. Beat PSU. I'm not sure we are remembering the post-success buzz going around the country about Allen at the end of 2022 as I do. And even if it was a mistake, or too much money: guess what? Dolson got the money to buyout Allen. The wrong was righted without a struggle. It seems like you think we're still stuck with him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyResident16 Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 3 minutes ago, tdhoosier said: A nice season? We haven't been ranked in the top 10 in my lifetime. Beat Michigan. Beat PSU. I'm not sure we are remembering the post-success buzz going around the country about Allen at the end of 2022 as I do. And even if it was a mistake, or too much money: guess what? Dolson got the money to buyout Allen. The wrong was righted without a struggle. It seems like you think we're still stuck with him. Needing to come up with $20 million just to fire a coach who won 3 conference games in 3 years just further reinforces the ineptness in the athletics department. Why on Earth did Tom Allen have a $31 million fully guaranteed buyout to begin with and why was is still $20 million after winning 3 conference games in 3 years? All because of a 6-2 record in a pandemic shortened season played in front of zero fans? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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