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Clark yapping at our bench. Hopefully they shut her up.

Banks is the guy I figure is 100% gone. We have sucked and I can't remember the last time he saw the floor.

You forgot to stuff your complaint with at least a five figure donation. They only care about money.

Yeah, it is the system. Posted the video from Mike's Knicks days in his retirement thread. The reason we struggle is because of the decisions he has made. I don't think our guards are as bad as they look. I think they would look fine if they were placed in a system that matched their play or they were not being forced to play outside their positions. I would love to see what this team would look like under a different coaching staff.

I feel bad for the players.

We really going to do this another year?

Look familiar? I am not expecting any changes that will matter. Woodson is doing what he knows.

.......And now we are burning up that last thing.

It has been said many times, but fan support is the only thing currently elite about IU.......

I blame everyone.

For those thinking what we are going to have to pull off in the portal this offseason is likely to produce results....

If you are a name coach that isn't in the Big Ten, SEC, and to a lesser extent Big 12 and ACC, you have to be slightly worried about the future of your conference. Frankly, I would be a bit worried in the ACC as well. You have FSU that wants out and the Big 10 and SEC would be more than happy to cut that league up.

If next year doesn't work out, I would go scorched earth in the AD. It won't happen but there would be a bunch of unemployed people with Mike. As far as I am concerned, Dolson is just an extension of the group that ------ this all up to begin with. Cignetti hasn't won one game yet. I like the hire but that isn't enough to save Dolson if I am in charge and this goes like I think it will. He is gambling another few years of bad ball on next year. I would increase the ante to his job along with it.

Everyone will kind of hope they figure it out but expect them not to. It will be a real "show me" season. The problem that always crops up on those types of seasons is that at the first sign of trouble, everyone bails hard. I am kind of resigned to the idea that he is going to be back next year. So I guess I hope he draws an inside straight for next year. That is our hope. If he doesn't, our AD really screwed the pooch on keeping him around another year. There are program building in state guys available in that 2025 class and it is going to be hard to land them. Recruiting for 2025 will be an uphill struggle for a staff currently sitting on 1 2024 recruit. The portal isn't how you build stability and Woodson has already put doubt onto his tenure length in the best of conditions, "I don't know if I will coach into my 70's..." (paraphrased). He will be 66 next month. If keeping him around goes bad you aren't looking at 13 to 14 months to see improvement you are talking several more years (at least 2) of portal diving. I hope Scott gets fired with Mike if this is what we are going to do. This was a stupid hire to begin with.

Like a billion dollar roadblock

That would be firmly on the bubble going into this time of year. People would be losing their minds like they are right now.

I think that is his ceiling next year and if the ceiling isn't going to he good enough then why do next year at all?

So this thread was pretty inactive yesterday which doesn't surprise me. Another bad home loss doesn't really move the needle on this discussion because minds are made up. To me that means Woodson's tenure at Indiana is over within about 14 months barring him pulling a rabbit out of a hat. I don't think the fans are going to be happy with 20-12 and the NCAA bubble next year given how this has gone. I also do not believe that Woodson will have the wherewithal to put together anything more than that next year with the roster and system overhaul he will have to implement between now and November. As I was saying before this loss, I don't see the value to the program in giving this another year, fair or not.

He has a $17 million buyout. We need to identify a guy who has the ability to do about 20 years and then we need to hunker down for the rebuild. This program still has its fans, but from the perspective of its perception outside of the fanbase, out administration has burned it to the ground. This is a complete rebuild. You can get "good" out of the portal but that won't be how you build a program. You need to recruit HS kids and you need some continuity. The time to hire a Pearl was back when Archie was hired. Hopefully they have a winner identified. I don't know if that is may or one of the half a dozen names that get brought up regularly here, but this is going to be a rebuild. We need someone that can articulate a plan and we need the AD to stop pumping things up like we are a Top 10 team every year. We need to have some sort of identity. The identity I would apply to Indiana Basketball right now is soft and entitled. That won't do.

The portal is turning all the programs into NBA G League teams. Every year is a cobbled together squad where even the most talented teams will struggle from time to time because they don't have that actual growth together that teams had in the past.

I wouldn't be shocked if the response is muted either way. I don't think these last few games do much to move the needle for most people one way or the other on their opinion. Everything important about this program going forward is going to happen in the offseason.

This isn't high school.

If MM is at the 3 and Reneau the 4, we are right back to this year and you also have McNeely outside of his natural position (as likely the 2) getting attacked by smaller and quicker players and if Woodson has shown anything it is that his defense is great at negating that...(DWS)

I am avoiding the whole coaching thing. That entire approach is going to have to change (which is why my current faith that this is going to end where we want it is really low).

The only way MM being back matters is if Mike moves him to the 4 and he accepts that role.