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While I certainly understand the sentiment between you, @eddy4iu, and many others about those two - this just isn't really accurate. Minutes Points 87 48 67 15 66 19 65 11 60 7 60 18 58 11 58 4 57 17 57 13 55 16 55 10 50 19 49 9 49 9 48 23 48 13 48 8 46 15 46 10 46 14 45 9 42 21 42 15 42 8 41 3 39 8 39 7 38 5 37 14 36 4 35 6 34 3 33 6 31 2 A couple outliers for sure, but for the most part when they played more minutes together their scoring was 'okay'. Between injuries and youthfulness we really just didn't have options. Galloway played a lot when he was healthy, so did Phinisee. Tamar just wasn't ready, I'm pretty sure I've seen you talk about how not ready he was on defense several times. Where was Woody supposed to go exactly?

If you go game by game on the losses, it is interesting as well.... Syracuse - we lost by 2 and shot 11/27 from three. I don't think anyone would argue we lost this game due to shooting.. Wisconsin - lost by 5 on 5/13 from three. Definitely can make a case for a higher volume, but we blew a huge lead. Hard to chalk this up to shooting.... Penn State - lost by 3 on 4/13 from three. This was a low scoring game and a disappointing loss - I'll certainly buy that shooting could've made a difference here but I'll also say it's a game we should have won regardless of poor shooting. Iowa - lost by 9 and blew a lead again, shot 7/22 from three. We gave up 83 points, I can't really chalk this up to shooting as I think needing to make 4 more threes and shoot 50% to win is an unfair ask. That game was on the defense. Michigan - lost by 18 on 5/19 shooting. Nothing went right in this game, can't blame it on shooting IMO. Illinois - lost by 17 on 3/13 shooting. My recollection says that we had a lead or were right there until 10-12 minutes to go, and I'd actually buy hitting some more shots through the game could've made a big difference. Shooting, amongst other things, probably cost us this one. Northwestern - lost by 8 in the Windy City 5 game on 4/16 shooting. Sure, 7/17 would have won us the game but I don't think any of us feel like that loss was on the shooting. It was on some bad decisions. Michigan State - lost by 15 on 5/21 from three, and less than 40% on our twos. Again, hard to chalk that up to three point shooting. Wisconsin - lost by 5 on 5/18 from three. We lead late and had some awful calls go against us, but hitting a couple shots down the stretch could have and would have made a difference. I'll put this on shooting as probably the top thing we could control in this one. Ohio State - lost by 11 in OT on 6/19 shooting. We weren't good from two in this game either, and I'd chalk the choke job up more so to the entire inability to get a bucket more than just poor shooting. But that was certainly part of the equation. So was not being able to get a stop late. Rutgers - lost by 3 and blew a lead again, losing on Harper's late dagger. Shot 6/21 from three. I guess you can call this shooting, but it seems to me that it wouldn't be the top of the list when you blow a lead at home on Senior Night. Purdue - lost by 2 on 5/20 shooting, but got absolutely screwed by the refs. I refuse to put this game on anything other than the refs, it was the biggest travesty in officiating I've witnessed over the duration of a game. Iowa - lost by 3 on 5/19 shooting, but gave up 80 points. I guess you can say hit one more shot and we go to OT, but I was more concerned with us getting lost on Bohannon multiple time slate. Hard for me to put the game on anything on offense when we score 77 and give up 80. St. Mary's - 2/10 shooting but absolutely nothing went right at all. This was about running out of gas, no more and no less. From my perspective, there is 5 games we lost that really came back to shooting. You can make a case for more, could make a case for less in a couple of those too, but that seems like the right number to me.

I think that speaks more to a lack of guys who could make plays and create for others than anything else. It’s not exactly a hot take to say our best lineup was probably X, Phinisee, TG, Race and TJD but two of those guys struggled with health and it left us with very little on the perimeter. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say the JHS is a big upgrade over Rob on offense. If TG can stay healthy and Bates can improve, we can be significantly better on the perimeter than last season and we could obviously be better down low just south the guys we bring back and taking MD for MR.

From a percentage standpoint you’re talking about less than one additional made three per game. Our percentage is so not a big deal. I’d like to see us shoot more threes but really have very little concern about our percentage. You also don’t need to add an elite shooter to see an increase; style of play, good off season work, confidence/freedom to shoot, and having more playmakers is going to be a difference maker more than just having a gunner (who can go in a slump, like the one we had last year….)

We weren't 14th in three point shooting last season? We were 11th and within a percentage point of being dead middle of the conference. This isn't directed at just you, but some of you drastically oversell how bad our shooting was and how much better it needs to be. It needs to be marginally better to be a really good basketball team; you don't have to be an elite shooting team to win in college basketball. I know the only really good teams we've had the last 20 years were great shooting teams, but we are probably not a case study in the type of program we are trying to be moving forward.

Yeah - he probably isn't the guy that will take a catch and shoot buzzer beater from three. He doesn't really have the type of shot where he can shoot it on the move coming off of a screen; he's either going to catch and shoot on a spot up or shoot off of the dribble. My guess is if we are in a situation where we have to have a three with under 10 seconds, Kopp or Bates would be the guys.

I think he was viewed as a good shooter last season; he was high 30s for the year and like 45% over the last month of the season. You're correct he has a somewhat slow release and shoots if low, but he also can create space very well and if you close out too hard on him he's going to go right by you.

Can't wait to see what he does this year! He made pretty considerable improvements in his three point shooting and taking care of the basketball last year as opposed to his time at Pitt. He obviously hit another gear the last month of the season, but man if he can play that way the entire year (not necessarily same averages, just same level of play) and JHS really is on the same level as him we could have a top 10 back court and a top 10 front court in the country. Just gotta hope our wings don't let us down...

His career has been an intriguing one to watch; it's a little puzzling to me that he has never stuck anywhere. He averages a double double Per 36 for his career with decent ability to stretch the floor. Hope he works out for the Celts, he seems like a very good depth big to me.

I get that, but he got paid last year and had said before any of the SA stuff came up he was wiling to sit out if they didn't trade him. I personally can't wrap my head around 6 games - that's 1 quarter per woman. You don't believe the women? Then he shouldn't have gotten any games. But if you do believe them... then this is insulting. While I personally can't wrap my head around saying 24 women were lying, that makes more sense to me than saying I believe them but it isn't a big deal to sexually assault them, which is what this ruling is. Oh well, I guess....

He didn't sit out a year for this, he got paid last year.

Right, it was awful. We got good contributions from freshman under Crean on a regular basis. I know we all have ArchieTSD, but I think we can expect a lot out of these guys.

Yeah if he is healthy, the Colts have three guys capable of scoring from anywhere on the field.

I got it and am in.

I still need an invite…

100%. Some of our best lineups last year involved having multiple ball handlers and playmakers, despite X being the only really good one. Think about this year with X and JHS together for ~20 MPG.

I am a huge Banks fan. I think he is a sleeper to be an impact guy on this team.

I didn't realize he was sticking around to finish his degree before moving on - wasn't there an issue with a Texas Tech (I think) player not being allowed to stick around to finish summer courses that upset some folks? Glad we did right by 'Big MIke'!

We probably agree more than I initially thought then. I think Galloway is a good rotation player now and I don’t see him ever developing into a star. He could be a starter at some point, maybe even this year, but we are better if Bates has taken a big leap and passed him. I love the idea of Galloway being first off of the bench and being able to come in for X, JHS, or Bates and give us 20-25 minutes per game.

Why do we know about Galloway? I agree, he’s been the best of him, Geronimo, and Bates thus far (even with his injuries) but I don’t know why we think the other two have some possible big jump in them but not Trey? To me, Geronimo is the least likely of those three to jump. We brought in two really good guys for him to compete with, and he’s never averaged more than 12 MPG with TJD and Race in place anyway. I just don’t see where he is going to increase his minutes much (at all) next season Stewart and Phinisee are gone, which I think opens up minutes for Bates and Galloway. Trey needs to be healthy and continue to improve his shooting, Tamar needed to add strength and be more aggressive defensively. I think we have 5 guys splitting 120 minutes 1-3 and 3 guys splitting 80 minutes at the 4-5, with a couple guys picking up some spots minutes to round out spots 9 and 10 in the rotation.

It's enabled by the administration, the coaches, and everyone on down. I've brought it up to their fans and none of them ever seem to care, it's honestly puzzling.

I don't think we have to worry about that. Don't think it's a stretch to think by the tournament our best lineup is X, JHS, Bates or Banks, Race (or MR?), and TJD. That said, I don't want to rule out or forget about guys like Galloway or even Kopp. They both bring some things to the table that will be vital for this team, and it wouldn't shock me to see those too be really hard to keep off the floor, too.

I think it’s much the same at point guard, too. We have XJ and JHS this year, then JHS and Cupps, then we should have Cupps for a while. It hasn’t been as long as point guard, but probably since Hulls and Yogi that we had a handoff of true lead guards overlapping each other.

They won’t all play. I personally think it’s pretty obvious three of them are playing 20+ every night and that doesn’t leave a lot for everyone else.

Agreed. And it isn’t like it’s just those three, we still have Geronimo and I haven’t given up on Duncomb at some point being a contributor (not next year unless we get hit with injuries).