Hoosierhoopster

Absolutely

You have a decidedly negative take on CAM. I don't share your view, and last year's team was not bad to mediocre, it was a solid tourney team. You also then continue to downplay the history of this team with comments like many teams have adversity. OK. I get the impression you want to get be negative on the outlook for IU. I don't share that outlook. Recruits see the last 3 years Mr. Indiana Basketball players going to IU. Hey, were they recruits? Uh, yeah. You're completely disregarding the level of success CAM has had in recruiting. That's the foundation. This year is important. So is every year going forward.

OK, it's not that the numbers "don't look good" it's that IU had Crean during that period -- and had multiple B1G titles -- and then went through another coaching change after his teams / recruiting fell off badly. Your and others calling that kind of development "an excuse" is itself an excuse to cast numbers around without really considering context. Yes, the last 10 years in fact have another coaching change, but also yes, IU, while it did have multiple B1G titles and SW16 appearances during that period, did not perform at the level we'd want, that's why Crean was fired. I agree it is realistic to expect that at least a few teams can have consistently top 4 finishes over an extended period. But you also should recognize and agree that IU's situation has been impacted by all the coaching changes during this period. That's the point.

This is the thing with picking a time span, and particularly the last 20 seasons, when IU has gone through multiple coaching changes following the firing of RMK, and even more significantly, when the Sampson fiasco / firing resulted in the complete dismantling of IU's program and self-imposed sanctions. What does the last 20 seasons tell you, as to IU, and is it actually fair or accurate to measure them, with those significant program changes/dismantling, against other schools who, of course, did not go through that? No, it isn't fair or accurate. We are where we are. We are now on our 4th coach since RMK in this period. During that period: - Davis, with RMK's players, had us in the Final against MD. But for Coverdale's injuries, we may well have won that game. - Sampson had us at 24-4 and a title contender before Sampsongate and his firing, ended that. That team was outstanding. Then came the fallout and complete dismantling of IU's basketball program. - Crean won several B1G titles and had IU as a repeat SW16 team, and the country's longest-running #1 ranked team, but couldn't balance his classes or build any kind of consistently good defense, his recruiting went South, and it wasn't enough. - CAM has improved his teams each year. Last year we were in the tourney but for the Covid shut-down - that's not on him. Last year's team averaged only 12.6 TO's and had a top 25 D, still with Crean's recruits. This year I believe we have 2 of Crean's recruits left, and three years of Mr. Indiana basketball players committed to CAM. This year's team has added Lander, the #1 PG in his original class. The future looks pretty good. We should start to see the type of higher conference rankings we all want.

Have been listening to a lot of Tom Petty lately. Last dance with Mary Jane, Here comes my girl, Learning to Fly - these are just great songs btw gotta love the opening lyrics to Last dance with Mary Jane — She grew up in an Indiana Town Had a good looking Momma who never was around But she grew up tall and she grew up right With them Indiana boys on an Indiana night

Thoughts out to you and your son and family Fouls. The good news if it is Covid is that there’s a lot of experience with it now, you’re moving quickly to get him tested, he’s young and healthy, you guys will get through it.

Best wishes to you both for a speedy and uneventful recovery

Ouch, Thunder got the better side of that deal imo

Yes, possible

I can't believe they murdered Blue 😁

I love you too 😁

Oh Lord, you’re entitled to your own opinion, you’re not entitled to your own facts. The Covid “policy” was to downplay it and claim it would just go away. Just stop. But I’ll stop too because I gave you an opening to get into politics again.

Hope your friends and family get well soon.

Not sure what planet you're living on Fouls lol. There were all kinds of repeated "media" statements, you know since we're inclined to bash the "media" generally, repeatedly noting that large social gatherings / protests could spur the Virus and pointing out gatherings / protests where people were wearing masks, as opposed to those large "gatherings" when people weren't.

Congratulations, welcome to real adulthood!

Denial and disinformation is really pointless. It is so utterly absurd that people have made Covid a stupid political issue, a don’t tell me what to do issue. People can quibble on how to measure the clearly overwhelming evidence of US Covid cases of n relation to basically everywhere, the huge upsurge in cases again; the obvious indisputable fact that we had a terrible policy - a lack of policy and a state of denial resulting in failure to address Covid nationally because of the stupid, moronic desire to politicize an obvious serious and indisputable national health crisis, we can all go back through this thread and read the multiple false and misleading representations downplaying the virus and how poof it would just go away, frankly it’s pointless. Yes if we wear masks and co to ur to practice the protocols that have clearly been demonstrated to curb cases and stop upsurges we can all help while the vaccine gets closer to market, that’s the point

Respectfully, bad idea, bad way to look at things. This is, obviously, a serious national public health crisis. It has nothing to do with telling you what to do, and everything to do with getting the Virus spread back under control. We have more cases and deaths than any other country, why? Because of the approach, the lack of approach, taken to deal with it. Now we're into winter, now we have flu season, and guess what, now we have a major upsurge in cases all over the country. Saying I'll do what I want to do is the attitude that causes the Virus to spread and more people to die. People here I know have it. People here I know have died. It is really a very bad way to think about a national health emergency.

Lol laughable

just nothing out there that they talk or anything like that KoB. We can all project that people are now talking to each other about team moves just because they’ve been on an Olympic team or practice team, it’s nothing more than speculation.

Yeah if true, not a good look. But then, in fairness, a lot of players talk to other players about possibly teaming up, that's going on all over the place -- but even if this proves true, I remain extremely skeptical that it was during a game, that strikes me as ridiculous

There was a fair amount of reporting about how Vic and PG did not know each other when the trade occurred. Unless they've suddenly developed a relationship, there's nothing there.

Lol, come on. PG has no relationship with Vic. This is just silly.

Yeah I've been highly skeptical of this all along. Guys don't run around at a game and ask to play with them, that's just ridiculous. I suppose this will all play out, but jumping at these kind of rumors and assuming they're true really isn't warranted. Better to wait to see how it plays out.

Color me skeptical on this one

RIP Sean Connery. I'm going to have to go on a Sean Connery film binge, having grown up watching a bunch of his movies. Finding Forrester. The Man Who Would be King. Bond films. The Untouchables. Hunt for Red October.