IU_Realist

2 hours ago, 5 championships said:

You can use PER all you want which some of those stats have there use but I let my eyes do a lot of the determining. I thought Yogi was just fine as a defender. Part of being a scout is determining how someone will translate at the next level. Which I can see a concern for him trying to guard much more advanced guards in NBA. That quote was from one individual. People have different opinions and are wrong on players a lot.  He’s done well enough as a backup to earn multiple contracts. Good convo though I don’t mind being challenged. Let’s get back to Avery Brown. 

Oh the eye test.  You are blind then.  

15 hours ago, BobSaccamanno said:

The Leland Walker height thing is pure balderdash. Archie and staff are in daily communication with Walker.  

The must important defensive attribute for defending other point guards is not being 6’3.  It’s having excellent foot quickness to stop the ball and make it difficult for the other lead guard to initiate.  You’ve got to keep the ball in front of you and stop it.  A defense that doesn’t have a single guy that can do that will have to then compensate for that deficiency.  So you try to avoid having that deficiency in the first instance.

We also know that Archie has told another smaller player in Smith that he doesn’t care how tall he is.  Maybe you want to mix and match personnel to have a roster with a taller guard coupled with a smaller one but the notion that a player can’t be recruited because he’s only 6’0 is false.  Besides, Walker is a top flight athlete from what I’ve seen and that kind of athleticism is an equalizer.  

It’s not.  It’s why he hasn’t been offered.  Miller wants a taller PG. Look at the ones he has offered so far.  Walker and Smith are in the second group to the IU staff.  

9 hours ago, 5 championships said:

I never saw Abell as a 1 more of a 2. Yogi was very solid as a freshmen he didn’t just start over a promise. He averaged 4 assist a game as a fresh. The team needed a true PG. it allowed Hulls to play more of his natural position as a 2 guard. his sophomore year the team was in a transition year and yogi really had to step up into more of a scoring role. Sheehey well he was good off the bench in that role but he was never going to be the man on a winning team. And he can say what he wants but Yogi shot 40 percent from deep that year on almost 7 attempts per game and averaged 4 assists.  
Was Yogi a great defender or known for his defense well no I don’t believe that but he was never a liability and at times he really stepped up and lead on the defensive end. 
And At the end of the day the man was a career 40 percent shooter from deep, Indiana’s All TIME assist leader, racked up 1,986 points in his career, and 2 time outright BIG Ten champ.

not bad for a short guard, taking 2 years to adjust, and being a liability on defense. Oh and he is doing just fine in the NBA. 
 

He had a bad PER as a Frosh. That’s efficiency.  It was bad for a starting PG for the #1 team in the country.  Going back in history, I would have wanted another starting PG during Yogi’s frosh and Soph years.  

He was a liability on defense.  It was the scouts biggest knock on him during college.  Do you think they do that for fun?  Just make up reports about him because well they don’t like him.  

4 minutes ago, 5 championships said:

Yogi did not struggle on D as an upperclassman. I was at the Iowa game his senior year when they switched him on to Peter Jok in the second half and he shut him down. Iowa was ranked 3rd In the nation at the time.
He did not take 2 years to adjust. He was the starting point guard for the BIG champs and number 1 seed in the tourney as a Freshmen. 

Yes if 2 players are equal you take the one with more height. Not many are equal to leland Walker. Yes length is nice but that does not mean you take someone that is not as good because they are a couple inches taller. Sounds like something Crean would do. I don’t believe Archie thinks that way. Rob Is barely 6 foot and is the best on ball defender on the team. Archie didn’t back off from him because of his height. 

His PER was not as a starting PG as a frosh.  He shouldn’t have started and only did because Crean made a promise to him during recruiting.  His PER was 13 which is low for a 5 star PG or low for a starting PG in general.  We could have walked out a lot of players as a starting PG and still won it.  Abell left because of the nonsense. His sophomore season led to a lot of fighting on the team mainly due to his immaturity.  Ask Sheehey how many times he would yell at him and the rest of the 2012 and 2013 class.  He started doing better on offense as an upperclassmen because losing helps you focus more.  However scouts views on his defense in college....not a good write up on that.  

6 hours ago, 5 championships said:

Ha was Yogi to small? Oh that’s right he is Indiana’s all time assist leader now. If you can play you can play. Archie being a good small guard himself I doubt he would think like this. Leland Walker is going to be really good for whoever gets him.

Hey it’s what they think.  Archie may have been small but most college coaches want bigger PGs like in the 6’1” and above range. The shortest PG Archie has offered so far was 6’0”.  Most are 6’1” and above. 
 

Yogi took two years to acclimate and he still struggled on D as a short PG.  You also have to think packline D and length and height to defend. You need length to guard the 3. 

10 hours ago, Vincent14 said:

I'm shocked the next PG offer in this class wasn't Leland Walker.

There is concern he is too small.  

2 hours ago, HoosierJax said:

Michigan just picked up a comment from #2 power forward..Isaiah Todd ...first 5 star for Howard 

Rivals is saying he has no plans to arrive on campus.