IU_Realist

2 hours ago, GC19 said:

I like him. Still, I would’ve thought he’d be more in the ‘wait and see’ camp. But what do I know?  At least his teams win, unlike Colvin’s.  Is he young for his grade?

I agree.  IU is going for a PG in this class it seems.  We have Johnson and Phinisee for at most two years and Lander for how many.  Need a backup or someone to take over after Lander.  

I mean Xavier, OSU, Kansas State, etc. have offered as well.  I mean his team beat Moeller who has multiple D1 players this year.  I am sure that 35 Indiana kids have teams that think that highly of him.  Yet people on here drool over a kid who went away from big basketball to chase a scoring title instead of playing big boy ball and couldn’t beat a team of this caliber.  Also, this kid is doing things on the AAU circuit unlike those 35 other Indiana kids.  
 

Boards can be so delusional at times.  

5 hours ago, KoB2011 said:

No, his job is to win games. But if you're a kid who wants to stick in the NBA you can't honestly look at Purdue and say you're getting as good of prep for being a pro as you would at several other schools. 

It's honestly possible Biggie would've been taught some of the traits he needed to stick around in the NBA at another school. It's somewhat telling a guy like Xavier Tillman can carve out a role in the NBA and Biggie couldn't. 

Dumb take.  Painter got Biggie in the best shape of his life and turned him into an inside/outside big which helped turn him into a draft pick. Without that, he would have never been one.  When they enter it becomes about them.  They need to have the self control which Biggie didn’t have to succeed.  How many top 50 players has Painter had? I think four and 75% of them made an NBA roster and the one that didn’t transferred after his frosh year.  Purdue has had a couple others as well outside of the top 50.  Let’s not be dumb here and think there is some master sauce.  It’s about getting talent.  Why do you think Calipari gets so many and K does? There is no secret sauce.  Get five stars and top 50 kids and the more you get.  

51 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said:

This is another example of IU fans contradicting themselves. Crean got criticized for giving scholarships to guys like April and Priller instead of leaving them open. Archie got criticized for not using every scholarship. 
 

There’s a scene in the movie Miracle that summarizes my philosophy on recruiting. Herb Brooks/Kurt Russell is asked why he left some of the “best” players off his list of candidates. His response: “I’m not looking for the best players, I’m looking for the right ones.”

Crean’s problem is he went dumpster diving majorly.  He compared Priller to a kid who was drafted and played at Nevada.  Kids would come in and out due to his recruiting philosophies and he had no continuity.  It’s his problem at Georgia as well. Also he lost a lot of AAU and HS coaches which hurts when Indiana should be a good spot.  

Archie brought in a lot of talent.  We only had like two kids outside of the top 150.  It was more related to if his system was working with the type of kids he was recruiting.  
 

That’s my opinion at least. 

Should be a good 150-200 team next year for the early part of the season.  

Durr seems like a backup for IU for the rest of his career.  Games watched he seems a little slow of foot.  Trying to be more of a jump shooter if you look at hoops-math, etc.  Good for taking hits, etc.  

4 hours ago, rico said:

Something tells me you are reading everything the "UGA media" is reporting?

I see it because I have a Twitter handle I follow who is pretty much in the know of how Crean acts....loves showing his failures.  If Crean was never repeated again, I would be fine with it.  I am enjoying his failures though.  About time his BS got called out.  

1 hour ago, IUaic said:

Name 1 player that transferred from IU during Crean's tenure that went elsewhere and did anything. You can make an argument that he recruited over too much, but the players that transferred weren't huge losses. You are making mountains out of molehills due to your hatred of him.

People like Painter because he isn't doing anything at Purdue. IF he had success, people would dislike him. Purdue basketball has no expectations and he is delivering just that.

 

Your point? Why was he taking the kids that transferred? We got the Prillers and Whatever.  Like I said people observe how you treat kids even when they don’t work out.  Crean was bad to those kids.  Look at his response to the kid who just transferred.  Juvenile.  

1 hour ago, IUaic said:

Name 1 player that transferred from IU during Crean's tenure that went elsewhere and did anything. You can make an argument that he recruited over too much, but the players that transferred weren't huge losses. You are making mountains out of molehills due to your hatred of him.

People like Painter because he isn't doing anything at Purdue. IF he had success, people would dislike him. Purdue basketball has no expectations and he is delivering just that.

 

That’s some bullshit.  Painter is way more successful than Crean over the long haul.  Crean never finished over 5th in the Big East before here.  He was a wide swing of success and failures because he pissed off players and AAU coaches.  Fischer comes to mind.  Vonleh despised him.  Sheehey despised him.  Zeller and Hulls questioned him.  Why do you think he struggled recruiting in Indiana after the 2014 class?  The one success in recruiting in 2014 was a kid who never attempted to defend.  He did Patterson dirty.  We can go on and on and on and on if you want.  

2 hours ago, rico said:

Nobody has said he hasn’t develop players.  Crean kisses ass to people who help keep his wallet fat.  Shocker.  The next DWade, the next Oladipo, the next Antman, etc. I know an AAU coach who said this one time.  “I tell my kids when they choose a school....look at how the coach treats his best player, his worst players and his walkons....you don’t know which one you will be.”  

This is Crean’s problem.  If you aren’t a top kid, you are dispensable to him.  Why do you think he has ALWAYS had trouble with transfers and coaches like Painter doesn’t.  People that matter like Painter.  People that matter don’t like Crean.  

1 hour ago, loviubb said:

Do you know him? From many on this board he seemed to be a great guy. He took IU all the way back  from shit to #1 in several years. Not trying to argue but he did a lot in My mind for IU. I also thought his time ran out!!! Maybe there are things we don't know about at his present job that we do

He never gave IU a bad thought ( at least in public) after his dismissal. Just would like your thought process.

 

Ask some AAU coaches.  I know some that liked him and when kids didnt go his way...he would be a jerk to them.  Why do you think He threatened Peegs and others in the media about stories they wrote about him.  He has trouble finding assistants when he needs a vacancy because well...assistants talk.  Look up what he said to Donovan Mitchell after he committed to Louisville and some Chicago kids committed elsewhere.  Crean puts on a good act in the media and public.  His bullshit runs thin in the long run with coaches and players. 

2 hours ago, Seeking6 said:

I know Crean will take a beating but that guy has put a dozen guys in the league....and developed countless others. This isn't a Crean issue....this seems to be a Georgia issue in my little 2 cent opinion. 

It’s a Crean issue which is why he had so many transfers here.  A lot of ex players talk crap about him when he isn’t around. A lot of AAU coaches know his crap now.  He gets made fun of in coaching circles because he whiffs so much on assistants because he is a jerk.  Total Crean issue.  Any school that hires him will end up running into the same issue.  

1 hour ago, dgambill said:

Honestly that is a shame. I don’t wish ill on him. He is a nice guy from what I could tell. Has a good eye for talent. Wonder why he is struggling so much down there. I honestly thought kids liked playing for him.

He is an ahole.  Fake.  Most AAU and assistants know his BS.  Puts on a good show when people are around however when they aren’t on or in public ahole comes out 

Kentucky should make the tourney next year.  I love Grady.  Good player.  Add that to the center from WVU and Frederick.  They have a lot more offensive fire power.  They will add a PG as well.  

5 hours ago, Stlboiler23 said:

I thought they updated theirs fairly recently but could be misremembering. 

There was an article last week saying when they update it Bates would be top 35.  They haven’t finished the final one yet.  

4 hours ago, Stlboiler23 said:

Big move for him. I also noticed Furst and Duncomb are only a spot apart. Little bigger gap on rivals but interesting to see. 

Because Rivals hasn’t updated theirs yet.  

11 minutes ago, dgambill said:

And Gillis??? Where are his minutes...certainly not the 3. Which means you are playing Kaufman likely at the 3 and going big.

Kaufman at the three will be a disaster for Purdue from a defensive perspective.  He can’t guard a three at this level.  I think this is going to turn into a Hummel and Martin situation.  Furst is a five playing wise offensively right now and question if he can guard fours on the college level.  I think it will be Gillis/Kaufman at the four and Williams/Edny/Furst at the five.  

Rosemond said Indiana is still talking with one Player in the portal.  

4 minutes ago, HoosierJax said:

Wow....i hope this isn't a piss poor decision on IU'S part...Purdue is cleaning the state up of quality players...i dont care how good iu gets it is going to be tough playing at PU for years to come with all the State kids going there.

I mean Indiana has the second best kid in the state committed for the class at SG. Indiana has Johnson for two season, Lander as a frosh and Phinisee for two seasons as well.  It’s not like we have an issue there in PGs.  Indiana has Bates for four, Stewart for two, Leal for four and Galloway for Four at the two.  PG/small SG wasn’t a need for this class.  I don’t see we will see many offers at this position unless someone transfers.  

4 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said:

For several reasons I disagree with you. But to keep this short and sweet, I would hate it for a kid who COMMITTED to IU and RECOMMITTED to a new coaching staff have his dreams killed because a kid WHO CHOSE TO GO ELSEWHERE decided he might have made a bad decision 

There are two things here. New coaches get leniency with doing this because the kids here or whatever school do not fit what they want. I have a problem with oversigning however I also reserve the right when the new coach gets here to have honest conversations with kids and see how they fit with him.  Does the kid a disservice if he thinks he might play and that may not be the intentions.  I have seen people getting mad about Brunk leaving and Woodson told him he wouldn’t play much.  Essentially saying he got rid of him.  He didn’t need to get rid of him.  We could go over the scholarship limit and kept him because he didn’t count.  Honesty always works best.  

Further evidence people fall for used car salesmen.  

Tom Crean is going to have a hard time with the one time free transfer.  Players aren’t going to put up with the same crap he has always done.