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1 minute ago, tdhoosier said:

Would he be eligible to play right away? He already transferred once....unless he's a grad transfer. 

But yes, a rebounding guard who can score, get to the line and make free throws....sign me up. Hope the staff gives him a look. 

i was trying to say it would be BIG to get SMALL.  sorry.  my students don't think i'm funny either.  

2 minutes ago, tdhoosier said:

That'd be a good get for somebody.

it would be BIG!  get it?

54 minutes ago, SawatchHoosier said:

I used to be in favor of Bruce Pearl coaching for Indiana but if he's going to win/enter these types of tournaments I think we might be better off with Dusty May. 

 

always wanted to win one of those

1 hour ago, BADGERVOL said:

I don’t trust Woodson whatsoever to make any good decision with building this program. And if I was a recruit I’d have very little desire to come to IU at this time

money talks though

i still feel like we can hold out hope that he gets tired of all this

i really am curious in people's updated wish list as we go.  i know it's early, so it will change often.  seems like right now (not necessarily in order):

AJ Casey

Christian Watson

Lee Dort

Koren Johnson

Michael Ajayi

Jacob Crews

Nils Cooper

Marcus Foster

Jakobi Gillespie

Jalen Blackmon

Would we want all of those guys if we can get them?

1 minute ago, Hoosier4Life53 said:

He should go through the process, but I expect him to be back in college basketball next year, just not at IU. I hope I’m wrong, because that means we have mass exodus, and a complete rebuild on our hands.

i've said all along that right or wrong i'm afraid if he isn't one and done that he'll blame that on our system and not developing him or not utilizing him correctly.  hope that isn't the case.  

yeah.  i keep saying it is super tough to think Woodson will get less heralded players and play them in a system to get the most out of them.  my only hope is that he gets crazy talent this offseason and almost can't mess them up.  

generally i give my college age son more credit than me when it comes to nearly everything basketball.  he actually just decided to give it up after this season.  was a walk on at Presbyterian his freshman year and played for Converse this past season.  saw very little playing time and is ready to move on to working on his career.  anyway, he is really big on the PG from Furman.  

6 hours ago, Inequality said:

So age is the new topic and what was taken from my post as objectionable. Oh joy.

Buckner, Thomas et al of the Woodson era have pushed him into position. Older folks. Because anyone way younger than 45 I am guessing has no idea who he is or was. Age is completely relevant when it comes to Woodson being selected as head coach. Not because of his age directly but indirectly because of his affiliation with folks in charge of same or similar age that drool over his teenage skillset.

Since you brought up May, what Dusty May has accomplished as a college coach is much more proven than that of Woodson no matter the age. All while doing it with peanuts compared to what Woodson has done with IU resources. While the crown at IU may have once carried more weight, coaches like Dusty have shown it to be less relevant today by building winning programs at teeny tiny schools with zero history and minimal basketball following. Because he is a good coach who can get more with less. Woodson on the other hand needs billionaires and NBA allstars.

Dusty has created a winning culture capable of beating an Arizona with kids not many were after, in a gym the size of most middle school gyms. 

Bruce Pearl might even be the same age as Woodson but is a proven winning college coach.

In IUs case though its nostalgia. Folks of older generations trying to hang onto a thread of the RMK era. Woodson, a once Knight pupil has come to save IU from the clutches of modernism and innovation of which IU has escaped but to fail undeniably unless your an “true fan” willing to follow blindly.

thinking that you and i are on the same page, it is like you say... it's not really about the age as i would be absolutely thrilled with a Pearl hire.  it's Woodson's age coupled with no college coaching experience.  

8 hours ago, Inequality said:

Just like I initially feared when the rumor about Alford being first in line was kicked around. I remember saying to one of our members  in PM that I hope IU does the right thing and stays away from a nostalgic hire like Alford. Then Woodson was announced and like everyone else I was in complete shock. At least I had heard of Alford but Woodson? Wth…

I guess we have forgotten what Fred Glass said when he fired Crean? Crean who hit his ceiling and wasn't going to take IU far enough quick enough. One year removed from a B1G championship.

But Mike Woodson can take Archies generational talent who was already putting the team on his back and somehow get credit for the kid growing up and getting reps.

Trace was a beast in high school and was gonna beast no matter who he played for and you wont convince me otherwise. Thats what generational talent does. It gets shinier with age and experience.

Jalen who was brought here thanks to Hunter was so far ahead of any current IU guards it was clear as day. I remember mentioning that back then when a lot of folks was stuck on XJ. Jalen was gonna ball no matter who he played for and if it wasnt for XJs bad luck, would have not got the chance to show IU fans what he could do in year one. Again, super talented kid who was going places no matter what.

Love Leal and Galloway don't get me wrong. Kids that grew up wearing candy stripes. Love that! But be real, they aren't championship caliber guards. On one hand, glad to have em back. On the other hand, we need better guards talent wise that would effectively render Leal and Galloway as bench players. If we want to be really good. Thats what its going to take. Really good guards.

No offense to our older HSN members but I mean give me a break. Bring in a nearly 70 year old guy because the 70 year old crowd likes him for his jump shot while playing for IU in 1917 knowing he cant make it happen so you hire another semi retired college coach to train and oversee his operations. It was setup for failure from the beginning.

I mean really, tell me what Mike Woodson has done for the program for him to be worthy of hanging on to. Tell me something he has done better than Crean who was fired for not being good enough.

The longer they drag this along the angrier the fanbase is going to be and further back they set the program. And, the more disdain for Mike Woodson and anyone that supports him.

”Chill” and let Mike swing enough times he might get lucky just don't make sense to me. Train ol’ Mikey on IUs dime and hope the fans are patient. Man I just don't get it. It’s just basketball but the ignorance around the program is killing it. But, Im also near the point of giving up. It’s turning out to be a complete waste of time and energy.

Hopefully thats my last rant. Yeah I probably care about the program too much.

these are pretty much all of the points i have been making for a long time.  couldn't agree more.  so frustrating.  

7 hours ago, jv1972iu said:

There’s been minimal improvement from year to year under this staff.  JMHO

people keep saying how TJD improved.  sure he did.  he became better at what he was already doing.  didn't develop an outside shot or anything new.  people say JHS.  dude was already a stud.  Woodson wasn't playing him at PG, but when he was forced to, JHS showed out.  people say Reneau.  was he really any different or just got the chance to start and get a lot of touches?  

40 minutes ago, tdhoosier said:

My fear….

Next year we play a similar style and squeak into the tournament. Then what? 

Not enough to be fired.

Stuck In mediocrity for another year with another roster to rebuild. 

This is the worst case scenario, IMO. It’s not the bad that scares me - It’s the in between good and bad that scares me. . 

 

purgatory 

maybe we should just move all discussion to the Fire Mike Woodson thread?

is there a site that will keep like a continued updated ranking on portal players?  

serious question - how many coaches in the B1G would you take Woodson over?  question #2 - how many power 5 conference teams had a scholarship left open this season?

7 hours ago, IU Scott said:

Forgot Sparks 13th man

you mean 12th.  we were saving that last scholarship.

7 hours ago, jojo123 said:

Woody should just keep walking into the night and retire. What a mess this season was. 

it was so cool watching him walking away in the tunnel.  i was thinking maybe he was realizing this whole thing just wasn't working.  maybe it's not worth it to him anymore?  someone convince him to say it is health reasons or family.  whatever.  just do it now!

7 hours ago, IUCrazy2 said:

What an incredibly disappointing season.  Without changes, I have no excitement for next year.

so frustrating.  still can't say this team didn't have talent.  honestly thought we were a top 25 team coming in.  hate that the NIT has become like football bowl games.  no one wants to play because they are already moving on before the season really officially ends.  people can say we are young.  okay, let's play in the NIT and get experience.  well, no because almost none of these guys will be back.  so next year's excuse will be that we have all these new faces.  takes time for them to gel.  ugh.  sucks so bad that we are going to postpone getting the right coach for another season.

1 minute ago, IowaHoosierFan said:

Coach knows what he is doing. He can't make the shots or play defense for them

you get it.  woodson is a great coach.  it's just the players and that is clearly not his fault.   

4 minutes ago, Seeking6 said:

I love IU in probably an unhealthy way. I am so frickin tired of this being our March. That's my point and I'll be back on the positive train in a few weeks but good God.....Nebraska. Nebraska is doing this to us. Time to time out before I disrespect the board or anyone else. 

but you want Woodson back right?

1 minute ago, SawatchHoosier said:

Nebraska is doing nothing different than what they did the first two games. We have made zero adjustments. 

this can't be on Mike Woodson.  he doesn't take the shots or make plays.  he has done his job.  if you're questioning him you are not a true fan.  

2 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

Somebody pull a damn fire alarm!!!!!

1 minute ago, Euroclydon said:

Late first half collapse. Seems familiar.

kinda does

3 minutes ago, Reacher said:

Refs hate X with a passion 

i'm kinda with them