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And we have 4 games against the 3 teams above us left. 3 of those 4 at home. We need to win out at home and steal 1 more on the road. That probably gets us about as good a seed as we are going to get at this point. Then you hopefully have X back and make a push in the Tournament.

Just like the Big Ten wants it.

A charge is when an offensive player has made significant contact with a defender that has an established position. Look at what Edey does in that clip. The Penn State player is established at the foul line. Edey runs to him, makes contact, spins his back into him, and then slams into him 2 more times. Edey moves the guy at least 5 feet down the lane. The player he is running into is 6'8" 244 lbs Michael Henn. You don't move a guy that big without significant contact. It should be a charge. Just like the guy called for the charge against Shaq around the 2:20 mark in the video I posted who used his body to clear space. They don't call it, but it is a foul. I also think that is part of the reason why it is hacking season in the post for the defense too. After the offensive player has bullied their way to the basket it is kind of hard to call a foul on a guy for bumping their arm.

Exactly. And to me that is a charge. Go look highlights of Shaq at LSU up. You can tell how different the game was called because he doesn't do the butt backdown he did in the NBA. Edey does the butt backdown. Look at what a charge was at 2:20, that kind of stuff happens on almost every post play now.

I know TJD does. I said as much. I think when the defender is set and the offensive player throws themselves into them to knock them out of space, that is technically a charge. They just never call it anymore....and I think stuff like that is why the post has turned into a wrestling match. Neither of them should be allowed to do it. It is a foul.

In today's game, it is never called but I think the Penn State player has established a defensive position around the foul line and is stopped. Edey comes down the court and initiates multiple points of contact that forces the defensive player out of his position several times. If Edey comes running down the court and just plows over the guy at full speed, we say player control foul, the defender had established position and the ball is going the other way. What Edey does is effectively the same thing in slow motion though. It isn't just Edey, our guys do it every game too and it maybe gets called once a game. I think offensive players in the post generate a whole bunch of contact to bull defenders out of the way, I think the intent of the rules is to not allow that but the modern game has decided to let it go.

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Allowing that is the reason for the majority of contact in the paint. Our bigs get away with it too (everyone in this league does) but Edey gets a bigger advantage out of it because of his sheer size.

It isn't only Edey, but beyond the 3 second call, the defensive player has a set position in the lane and Edey is allowed to bull him out of that position. To me that is an offensive foul. The Penn State defender starts at the free throw line with position and Edey is allowed to knock him back to right outside the protected zone under the basket. It never gets called but that is a charge.

Just win.

Yeah, Michigan, Purdue, Northwestern, and Michigan State. Normally I would say NW would be a good candidate but this year...enh

5 home games and 4 on the road. To me just to have the skimpiest bit of improvement we have to win out at home.

Yeah, there are sometimes when the other team just has it and it isn't your night. Penn State would be that. Northwestern, Iowa, and Maryland weren't that though. We think the program is heading in the right direction. We think we would be better with Johnson. There are argu.ents to be made that we absolutely would and there are instances where we had him (Rutgers) and had similar results. There are a whole bunch of unknowns. What we do know is that this team is good enough to beat an Illinois on the road, handily. Was good enough to have Iowa down by 20. They were good enough to beat Maryland, Iowa, and Northwestern and they didn't, for whatever reason. So while it may feel like things are going better, this was supposed to be one of those "our year" type of deals and we are 6-5 in conference. A conference title was basically out the door in our first 5 games. Now we are playing for seeding and we were clawing our way back into it and laid a turd. Still time to flip the script, and that absolutely means they have to beat Purdue and Rutgers IMO. If they cannot be counted on to win road games, you have to win out at home.

I didn't say a program issue led to this loss either. RtZ wants to tilt at windmills though. Someone posted that this place is more animated after losses, I said I think that relates to the roller coaster nature of the program. Indiana, as a program, is up and down constantly. It is that hope, expectations, disappointment cycle. That type of thing tends to exacerbate reactions to losses moreso than being consistently good or bad. Additionally, I said last night is the type of game as a program that we generally have lost since the end of Knight's tenure. The only guy you could count on to win a few of those road toss up games got himself fired for phone calls and drugs and whatever else. All of the other coaches up to and including Woodson have done well at winning some big games at home while being hampered with not closing the deal on the toss up games, particularly the road toss up games. Maryland was barely favored last night because they aren't that great. We played horribly and they still needed foul calls and free throws to dominately go their way in order to win. Scott Dolson didn't lose the game and the "program" did not cause us to lose the game but the MO of the program over the previous 20 years is to lose that game. I think we shouldn't have that MO as a program based on Indiana's advantages. We do though. You can't make a "program" judgment off of one game and nobody was. Mike Davis 115-79 (55-41) Kelvin Sampson 43-15 (21-8) Dan Dakich 3-4 (3-2) Tom Crean 166-135 (71-91) Archie Miller 67-58 (33-44) Mike Woodson 36-20 (15-15) Indiana program .580 (.496) (Conference record in parenthesis) That is the program judgment over the past 20+ years. There wasn't even that negative of a reaction to this loss, most of the people were complaining about officiating and mildly pointing out some areas that did not go well. As a program though, we lose these games and we have been losing them for the better part of 20 some odd years. That is the difference between being a bubble team every year and having a solid seed. That is the point I was making. This game in the scheme of things isn't too big a deal. This game, Penn State, Northwestern, Iowa, and Rutgers though...well...injuries you know. The 5 we won? Luckiest team on the planet with our injuries? The season isn't over, I think we make the tournament, yes the injuries have some impact, and we still need to start finding ways to win this type of game more regularly if we are going to get out of the 20 year slump.

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I am laughing at you. Respectfully, move on.

LOL.

It all happened in a series though. They thought we fouled and are screaming about that but no call. It is 1 to 2 seconds between the two events. I think the big initial reaction was everyone reacting to the blocked shot (because the driver ended up on the floor) and that carried over. Either way, doesn't really matter because in both instances the ref made a sh*t call based off the crowd (by all appearances).

Effort was there. We still struggle with the zone and press.

I didn't say we fouled, I said they didn't call a foul on the drive. The crowd was reacting to a lack of a call there (which was the correct call) and, IMO, the official that called the BS double dribble did so to "make up" for the lack of a foul call on that drive by calling a double dribble in response to the crowd.

That call was made because they didn't call a foul on the drive and we were on a fast break. It was way too late to call that foul so they pulled double dribble out of their ass.

I think the up and down nature of the program contributes to that. It has been a factor since at least Crean. "You ranked em, we spank em" was very true for his teams in Assembly Hall but then you would have these inexplicable losses. Archie was just meh from the IPFW loss to his last game. The past 5 games were great. It was good to get back on the winning side of the ledger. The excitement is tempered a bit because of the downside of the roller coaster we had just come off of. Last night is the type of game this program consistently finds a way to lose and it is games like that which keep us from being able to push ourselves out of the middle pack in this conference. With the built in advantages and resources given to our basketball program, you will never convince me that we shouldn't be much better than we have been for the past 20 to 25 years. Officiating had a bunch to do with last night, but so did some of the same bugaboos that impacted us in that December skid. There is going to he a subset of the fan base that just isn't going to be happy until they see more consistency in the win column. It doesn't help having your rival playing a bunch of Freshman and sitting #1 in the country either. It isn't fair, but every coach coming in here is dealing with the 20 years before him. That is reality. So no matter who is in that chair, there is a very real "here we go again" feeling around this program that gets amplified with losses. We better go win the next 2. A rival and an asshole team that talks a bunch of sh*t. Go get it done. The 5 game win streak proves the capability is there. Two consecutive wins and the officiating atrociousness last night would take the sting off this game. We CANNOT give up any more home losses.

Wonder who that was and what the full conversation entailed.

Maybe. The fouls are the ultimate X factor though. XJ has a tendency to 1. Get called for a bunch of those touch/grabbing fouls and 2. Let the officiating really bother him. We played them pretty even in my opinion even having a really off game. XJ would have helped with ball handling and such and on a neutral court, with him, I think we are double digits better than Maryland 80% of the time. I just can't shake the way the game was called though. XJ would have been in foul trouble all night IMO.

He wasn't alone on that, I think Kopp gets too cute with the fakes at times too. He has a shot and just isn't confident to get it off if anyone is running at him at all. So he fakes, takes the dribble and puts up a worse shot than the one he just gave up. You are a set shooter my guy, just get the ball up there on the initial kick out.