BADGERVOL

7 hours ago, BGleas said:

As a Celtics fan, I love it! Though I wouldn't want my team to operate that way. I'd want my team to get the absolute best return possible (in general, not saying the Lakers have the best deal) regardless of where you send a player. Not apples to apples because Davis is better than Kyrie, but if the Celtics were trading Kyrie I'd want them to trade him to whichever team offered the best deal, regardless of what conference or division. 

Absolutely agree.

Wow the way things are shaping up I’m just hopeful the Bucks can keep it competitive. And I’m guessing ALL of the sports pundits isn’t be wearing the same green glasses as me! Lol.

look obviously at this point there’s four really good teams left. I fully expect this series to be a battle. I have yet to hear of a sportswriter picking the Raptors (correct me if I’m wrong), and OBVIOUSLY that means nothing. 

BG I don’t think you’re implying this, but just checking, are you saying if the Refs hadn’t called the series different the Celtics would’ve won? 

And HoosierHoopster are you implying Giannis isn’t the best inside the paint in the NBA right now? And if so who is?

i think it might be a bit unfair to assume I’ve got green glasses on and you’re completely objective. 🧐

1 hour ago, Hoosierhoopster said:

Ok now that’s a fan/green glasses view for sure. Bucks did not play average, it was a very good game and they fought back when the Raps tool that 10- point lead. Raps then missed a bunch of shots and didn’t score for 3 straight minutes at the end of the game. Game 2 will be a war 

Actually I didn’t get to see the first half. It was Kellerman and Smith that said they didn’t play that well until the fourth quarter.  Didn’t shoot well from outside, Middleton was held to half his average and Bleadsoe absolutely did NOT play well. Thank goodness Lopez got back to form. But I’d hardly say if two of your top three players didn’t produce even close to their averages  that you couldn’t say the Bucks played great. On the flip side Lowery gave more than what you can expect from him for probably the rest of the series and the Raptors controlled the tempo and played great for three quarters. I suppose you ca. Soon it both ways. Idk.

Ummm...not to change topics, but ah...Bucks played pretty average and Raptors played super well for three quarters and Bucks still won. So I still like my Bucks chances...

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3 hours ago, NotIThatLives said:

Amazing order.  

Do Lakers say screw it and trade LeBron if they can't lure LeBron some help?

Does Anthony Davis reconsider and hear out his new gm?

Too bad Mike Conley has the 2nd worst contract in the NBA.  Guess they just keep him unless, although maybe they'll buy him out???

They’ve gotta keep that group together now.

1 hour ago, FW_Hoosier said:

I am the conductor of the “Warriors are better without KD” hot take train.  Climb aboard.

I’m the Bucks fan here and if we can get to finals I want KD back bad

1 hour ago, rico said:

Although laughable, I thought this was interesting....

https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2019/05/14/its-time-to-scrap-the-nba-draft-lottery-this-is-the-reform-we-really-need/

That is SUCH a good idea 

14 hours ago, BGleas said:

Raptors-Bucks is so interesting. Five days ago I would have picked the Raptors, but I’m not so sure anymore. The core around Kawhi really didn’t play well in Games 6&7 and the core around Giannis played really well in the Boston series. 

With that said, Kawhi and Giannis are so good, but Kawhi at this stage is a much more well-rounded player and Toronto has a lot of athletic guys with size (Kawhi, Siakim, Ibaka, and even Gasol) that are good defenders to throw at Giannis. 

As a Bucks fan I just want to say I didn’t think they played at all to their potential offensively against the Celtics. We missed a lot of open threes. Just one example was how poorly Lopez shot in that series. I think he made 1 three the whole series. If that happens again we’ll lose. If we get back to shooting like we did all season long and against the Pistons I love our chances to beat the Raptors.

1 hour ago, IU Scott said:

To me if Jordan would have played with the rules today would score 45 points a game

Honestly I completely agree.

Here’s a discussion starter...who from the 70s,80s and 90s would’ve blown up in today’s rules and what guys from today could’ve still been really good back then?

i’ll start...Draymond green could’ve done well back in the 90s. I think pistol Pete would’ve had a hay day with these rules.

2 hours ago, Hoosierhoopster said:

I think Steph is today a top 10 offensive player (ever), but he’s not in the top 10 of all players otherwise. 

It’s worth pointing out that if you put Steph in the 90’s he’d get mauled and wouldn’t shoot nearly as well, and if you put guys like Reggie or Bird in today’s game their scoring would be at least equal, the rules strongly favor guards and high scoring, it’s why the scoring is as high as it is now. 

But it’s also not really fair, and difficult, to do the generation comparison thing. No question Steph is one of the best and quickest shooters, and an elite point guard. 

I still wonder how guys like Nash (also very quick) and Stockton would look in today’s game. I’d definitely want them on my team 

Stockton and Malone were SO stuck together idk any two players were more dependent on each other making the other so great. Was never a Jazz fan but OMG those two had chemistry an honors class couldn’t figure out. 

Stockton might have done more with less athletic ability than any other player ever outside of maybe Bird. His IQ was off the charts.

1 hour ago, Zlinedavid said:

I think guys like Nash and Kidd would have adapted. They were athletic enough to handle the tempo today, and weren't horrible shooters.

What I wonder is how guys like Iverson would have done. Athletic as all hell, but his game was based on getting past his man and driving, which goes against the trends of today. Jump shooting wasn't his forte.

Kidd a good shooter?

49 minutes ago, BobSaccamanno said:

I’m not sure how much of an open mind Lebron has to listening to a coach who isn’t his stooge.  He was mostly ok with Spoelstra, I guess.  Will be interesting to see how it plays out but I hope Vogel stands up to him.  

Anyone who stands up you lebron will create a loss loss situation. Unfortunately 

18 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said:

At one point in the evolution of football, I'm sure people uttered the phrase "Yeah, he can run the ball, but where can you put him on defense?"

Point is not to diminish defense, but to say that greatness always has the element of time brought into it. Games and they way they are played evolve.

I’d love having a beer with you and talking sports! But this one I’m gonna disagree on. I’m sure people did say that at some point but when that player wasn’t playing defense someone else WAS. The game is determined on both ends and if you’re SUCH a bad defender that the other team literally does everything they can to switch and to rotate to get YOU to defend the ball because they know they can TORCH you with almost anyone on the court, I think that has to at least be considered into how good of a player you are overall. I’d argue John stockton was a better defender than Curry and he certainly wasn’t as quick.

6 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said:

You could be the most brilliant tactician in the world, but you're going nowhere if your troops aren't behind you. And you're likely going to get beat by some good but not great tacticians who has a group solidly behind him.

Some groups need a kick in the ass, some need a pat on the back. Good leaders can and know when to apply both.

You’re right leadership wise he obviously must be amazing to balance all those egos. I guess I just haven’t seen or heard a lot of wise basketball IQ statements. Obviously he can’t be dumb or he wouldn’t have respect of his players which he clearly does.

3 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said:

Best I can come up with is he has the shooting ability of Bird with the quickness of Iverson.

That’s interesting enough I’m gonna chew on that a bit...

25 minutes ago, BADGERVOL said:

I was explaining that to someone the other day. He might end up not even being a top ten player ever but he might be one of the top 2-3 to influence the game ever.

I love the guy personally. I actually liked him as one of my favorite players when I was in HS (odd I know). But I have to admit when he does pressers and when he’s mic’d Up in the huddles I’m NEVER impressed with what comes out of his mouth X’s And O’s wise. Maybe just me but he always seems to just bathe his players with compliments and say such obvious things in huddles. Maybe he’s got such a talented team he just needs to keep them relaxed and not say much. I know Jackson was similar but he created an entire offense and always “appeared” more of a brilliant mind. And popavich showed he could win with tons of different players playing tons of different roles even changing as they aged. I just don’t see Kerr in their league at all.

13 minutes ago, KoB2011 said:

It'll be really interesting to see where he ends up on an all-time list. I think you can make the case now that he is a top ten player ever. 

On a related note, I think Klay might be the second best shooter ever but he will likely never get quite that much credit. 

You really think you can say he’s top ten ever right now? So if god forbid he was killed in a car wreck people would say the body of his work is top ten EVER? Idk if I could go there yet. But maybe I’m not seeing it clearly.

What about his defense? Heck for everyone...it seems like half of players games anymore don’t even matter in people’s eyes anymore. If you average 30 a game you can be a deplorable defender and give up 30 on the other end and people still think you’re great. Haven’t been able to figure that out at all. Not just for Steph but players like lebron even.

1 hour ago, BGleas said:

Agree 100%. It’s debateable if he’s the best player of this generation, but nobody has impacted the way the game is played more than Steph Curry in a really long time. 

I was explaining that to someone the other day. He might end up not even being a top ten player ever but he might be one of the top 2-3 to influence the game ever.

40 minutes ago, KoB2011 said:

I'd argue there has never been a shooter like him. 

I’d expand that to include there’s never been someone who can shoot, dribble, and have that quick of a release ever. He actually isn’t all that amazing of an “athlete” but dang his skill set is like no one I’ve seen or watched before past or present.

Anyone listen to the segment with Nick wright on how he believes the Bucks will win it all? Starts about 3:40

13 minutes ago, Hoosierhoopster said:

That should be a fantastic series.

i think the Raps will pull it out, they bring a lot to the table, and with Kawhi, but the Bucks with Giannis are capable. 

Rooting for a Raps - Rockets Finals 

But just to stick it to the League, how about 

Bucks - Nuggets! 

The Greek Freak VS the Loaf of White Bread?

1 minute ago, BGleas said:

Might be a few days off the boards for me, @KoB2011. I’m driving up to Boston to help Kyrie pack his things. 

I’m REALLY enjoying his body language way too much. ONE assist tonight to go with 6-21

2 hours ago, Hoosierhoopster said:

He’s so about getting his, and while playing poorly, it’s awful. Boston is better than this, addition by subtraction, or addition by replacement, he needs to go

What can they get for him though? That’s the trick...but I agree 100%. Idk what the heck team would want him. 🧐

Kyrie after game three and going 8-22 “you won’t see another 8-22 game from me.”

He was correct...he went 7-22

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