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2 hours ago, IUFLA said:

Understood...I was leaning more in the way Underwood seems to not be able to develop/keep a true point guard on his roster...Epps was another example...

The fact that they're going to play Rodgers at the point this year kinda reeks of desperation to me...I think he's a good, off the bench, energy type kid, but Underwood has played him at a lot of different positions (he tried using him to guard Trayce a couple of times when we beat them in Champaign...Didn't work so well...But then again, neither did Danja or Hawkins...Trayce dropped 35 on them ...And was "held" to 26 in the 2nd game ) and he hasn't found his niche yet...

Also, the fact that they're vying with powerhouses like Colorado Stae, UC Santa Barbara, and Cal State Fullerton for a 2024 3 star combo guard (Jase Butler) tells me the word is getting around that Underwood might not be the coach for talented, high end guards...

Gotcha. Part of that would be he's bringing in guards who probably aren't that good in the first place so that would be the evaluation part of the process which is failing him. They certainly don't get better under him though and might get worse.

He's an overrated coach and his teams are often overrated because of it.

1 hour ago, Artesian_86 said:

What an awesome compliment for Trayce! It gives Coach Woodson and Co., as well as IU Basketball, great credibility. A current NBA coach, (theoretically) complimenting the product of a former NBA coach. I love it! What a great tool to use for potential recruits......

I've seen quite a few articles about how much of a steal TJD was during the draft. The Warriors seem high on him as does the area media. Some think he's a better selection short term than their 1st round pick and at least one thinks he'll be better both short and long term.

31 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

I saw Gibbs-Lawhorn when he was at Montverde when I'd tune in to watch JHS play... I always thought his shot selection was actually worse than Curbelo's if you can believe that...

He never impressed me... normally when I hear a Boilermaker say, "we dodged a bullet there" I think they're in face saving mode from having lost a recruit... but in this case, I think they were spot on... 

 

Right, is sounds like comparing him to Curbelo might be a complement which is what I meant.

7 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

Curbelo 3.0 (Skyy Clark was 2.0)

I hadn't heard of (or thought of) DGL in a while so I looked to see where he finished. His ranking dropped like a rock. From top 10 to a 3*. Wow. So you may be giving him too much credit.

1 hour ago, IUFLA said:

Of his comments on the 3 programs, I'd say Kentucky is the most tepid... Alabama's the most encouraging... 

I agree about Kentucky but between IU and Alabama it seems like a toss-us without knowing his priorities. 

In regards to IU, he spoke about the NBA. He mentioned they want to win. He did mention how big basketball is.

For Alabama, he talked about their style of play and the talent. He recognized that basketball is second to football.

When IU lands McNeeley, that could help IU in regards to the talent he'd be playing with. But I'm sure the NBA is his goal so talking about that only when talking about IU definitely doesn't hurt.

3 minutes ago, Purdue7 said:

Surprised he hasn’t committed to IU 

Shrews making a late push ?

 

 

Late? He's class of 2025 so he's only a junior.

Crystal Ball pick for IU today. Only 6 confidence. 

That said, it looks like the guy doesn't make them unless he's pretty sure (or maybe he changes them at the last minute if wrong). 100% for this class and 95% overall. Maryland insider so not close to either school and probably not the family. 

35 minutes ago, Maedhros said:

Per The Daily Hoosier, The Daily Memphian is reporting Givens is down to a final three of Memphis, Texas and LSU.

At any other point in the cycle I wouldn't be too concerned. From all accounts, Givens was never near the top of the recruiting board. His visit was due in large part to his camp reaching out to be recruiting by Indiana, not the other way around. So in a vacuum, this wouldn't be a miss that got away so much as lower priority target that went elsewhere, as happens all the time.

But at this point in the cycle, it's a blow. We have very few guard targets left, maybe only Boogie Fland. Whatever priority Givens may have been previously, as soon as he showed strong IU interest he should have moved way up to the top.

Maybe he wasn't truly interested in Indiana and only wanted to visit with his Montverde buddies. Even if so, you'd assume playing with together with them would also have a strong appeal. Yet Givens didn't rate that possibility highly enough to include us as a finalist. It's a thin conjecture, admittedly, but maybe this indicates he doesn't feel it likely that we're going to land McNeeley and/or Queen.

Bummer

1 hour ago, ThePaulieWalnuts said:

Sounds like IU didn’t make the cut.

What are you basing this statement on? Did I miss something like a top x list that doesn't have IU?

4 hours ago, iuhoopsfan90 said:

Always felt like it would be Newell or McNeeley, but not both.  

Don't they play different positions? I thought Newell is a 4/stretch 4 while McNeely is a wing.

4 minutes ago, Drroogh said:

We heard the same thing from Fino, two 5 stars in two years! A phrase we hear all the time that I absolutely despise ‘swing and miss’! Could be the staffs honesty is what’s happening. All these high end players with their ‘advisors’ don’t like hearing the truth!?!

It's also what got TJD to come back.

46 minutes ago, 13th&Jackson said:

Can't defend, not athletic, lots of skill and really crafty.  Sounds like Larry Bird

I'm sure Self couldn't find a way to use this:

Scouting Report

EVALUATED 10/15/2022

Brandon JenkinsRECRUIITNG ANALYST

COMPARISON

Kyle SinglerOKLAHOMA CITY THUNDER

 

McNeeley is as versatile as they come in the 2024 class. He has the handle and feel to run an offense and with his textbook shooting stroke, he has the capability to be a knockdown three-point shooter. The best area of his game is his passing as his vision is above average and he is willing to find the open man. He is unselfish to a fault, but he plays the game the right way. A high IQ prospect who can bring something to the table at eithet forward position, McNeeley should excel as a reliable complimentary option at the collegiate level.

The other day I saw an evaluation that talked a bit about his defense. I can't remember where or I'd link it. Basically, that guy's take on McNeely's defense is that it isn't as bad as some seem to think it is. He does a good job with positioning and staying in front of his man. Not great at defense but not terrible.

4 hours ago, IUFLA said:

Couple of interesting posts on the KU board...

And their arrogance is absolutely staggering...

🙄

They've cheated to win throughout their history... now that paying players is legal and the field is level, they whine... Simply amazing... 

36 minutes ago, iuswingman said:

Think this is just liam or will he drag his teammates here with him?

Just McNeely for now but it certainly doesn't hurt with his teammates, especially Queen. They haven't really talked about being a package deal (at least, not publicly) but they're very good friends from what I've seen and have made multiple visits to schools together like both IU visits and the Kansas visit. He'd have at least some time to recruit his teammates.

4 minutes ago, Hoosierdave said:

FINGERS CROSSED 

That would be GREAT news!

Start the dominos falling, Liam.

1 hour ago, IUFLA said:

The link to the KC Star article is disturbing. Incident happened on 8/26, reported on 8/27... so you know Self knew about it in at least the first week... yet he continued to let Morris practice until yesterday (according to fans in the know)... first ever sign of trouble, maybe that's the way to handle it... but 2 days after he pleaded out of an assault case against another woman? The minute Self heard it he should have suspended Morris...

A UT poster weighed in and said Morris had issues in high school with that kind of thing and that Chris Beard (who some wanted here) suppressed... 

That there were issues in HS is no surprise to me. Looks like I would've made money if I had made that bet.

It also doesn't surprise me that Self didn't suspend him until now. He probably knew about the HS issues and recruited this kid after the charge in Texas. So he very likely knew that it was a pattern and not an isolated event. That he recruited him anyways shows his acceptance of that kind of behavior if the player is talented enough. I would wager some outside force initiated the suspension and not his conscience suddenly making him do the right thing. Maybe someone higher up in the school told him to do it or, more likely, it was about to go public.

19 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

Thanks... I relinked it to their current thread...

I read the first two pages and most of the responses were appropriately critical of the player and/or staff. 

I'm guessing the staff either didn't do sufficient homework or, more likely, recruited him despite knowing about his past beyond the charge in Texas. This is the guy's second reported act of violence against a woman in just over a year. I'd be willing to bet money he has an issue with women and there are more acts of violence that weren't reported.

2 hours ago, IUFLA said:

Kansas fans reaction

And the moral indignation of UK fans 

 

Looks like the mods on the Kansas board removed the first link. There must have been some really ... interesting ... responses in there.

2 hours ago, Indykev said:

Can he play all 5 spots?

Yes. At once.

1 hour ago, Steubenhoosier said:

Thanks for posting this...and, I didn't take this that you posted this "as your own." You mentioned specifically that this was on the podcast.

Geesh!!!

He posted the takeaways from the podcast as his own. It was pretty much a copy of the other guy's takeaways. The chances of him having the exact same takeaways in the same order, format and very similar and many times identical wording is almost zero. The other post:

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Some key upside takeaways from Jordy Hulls on the Hoosier Hysterics podcast today:

1. Trey Galloway has finally had a healthy summer and combined with his work ethic is set for a big year.
2. Mack Mbako can really shoot the ball. That was said by Jordy more than once. And he is fearless when he does so. With Kopp gone this is really important.
3. Malik Reneau has transformed his body this offseason. Expected to have a big, big year.
4. Gabe Cupps' work ethic is notably impressive.

3 minutes ago, Madison22 said:

Jordy Hulls on the Hoosier Hysterics podcast this week:

1. Trey Galloway has finally had a healthy summer.  Combined with his work ethic, he is set for a big year.
2. Mack Mbako can really shoot.  And he is fearless when he does so.
3. Malik Reneau is much stronger now.  Expected to have a big, big year.
4. Gabe Cupps' work ethic is impressive and noticed by everyone.

That's almost word for word what Stuhoo on BTB posted yesterday. You should give credit instead of posting it as your own.

4 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

Boateng? 

Boateng is more of a wing player (2/3) than a primary ball handler. At least that is my understanding of looking at him being listed in those 2 positions and not as a CG. I've never seen him play.

2 hours ago, Madison22 said:

Haha, this is awesome.

Gabe Cupps is already one of my favorite players.  It's like he never sleeps.

I know why Liam isn't answering. That phone is missing 2 cords lol

Edit: I think he's also holding the receiver upside down. This picture is great.

2 hours ago, BDB said:

Isn’t DQ one that is typically not very active in the social media?  Is this a good sign?

I wouldn't say it's a good sign as I don't really think it's a sign. It certainly isn't a bad sign, though.

1 minute ago, IowaHoosierFan said:

probably a stupid question but are NIL deal one time payments or are they yearly as long as the student is active in the sport for that school?

I would assume that it could be either and would depend on the deal made.