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7 minutes ago, NotIThatLives said:

Are they trolling Kansas with the phone call thing?

I believe that's Liam's thing after a made 3.

2 hours ago, cthomas said:

Is Liam's mom with him on this visit like she for Kansas? If so, given how good CMW is with parents, that would be a good thing.

With how long IU had been recruiting him, I'm sure his parents know Woodson. 

22 minutes ago, IUfaninIllinois said:

Do you think Cuban tries avoiding drafting IU kids subconsciously because he’s involved in the NIL and he doesn’t want IU to get investigated for NIL/draft promises?

No, I think he doesn't pay NIL to college players. 

11 hours ago, FKIM01 said:

He's saying exactly what several here (self included) have been saying for awhile.  The professional sports model as currently constituted is simply not sustainable. Today, I watch almost zero professional basketball, baseball and football (used to watch a lot of baseball and football and a little NBA) Yet I pay for all three in my monthly YouTube TV bundle.  The dollars have gotten so ludicrous that something simply has to give.  The TV contracts simply cannot continue to spiral upward endlessly or eventually, bundlers like YouTube TV start dropping the most expensive channels, leaving the people who actually want them stuck with buying them ala cart and paying a lot more for them as a premium unsubsidized channel.  If millions of users who don't care about professional sports no longer subsidize them, I suspect you'll see franchise values and player salaries eventually take a hit.

This is nothing more than a reflection of the ever expanding array of entertainment choices and changing consumer tastes.  I used to watch a lot of NASCAR, but they screwed with the formula, creating this 10-race chase where they artificially allowed a bunch of drivers to catch up and literally ruined it for me.  Today, i consider NASCAR unwatchable garbage. 20 years ago, i watched every weekend.

You don't have to agree, but I personally believe that the big three are in danger of pricing themselves into a declining spiral until they once again reach economic equilibrium.  One way or another, it will be interesting to watch, but I'd bet on big changes on the horizon for the big three.

Look at how much the salaries have increased. They've far outpaced inflation. ~25 years ago Michael Jordan earned about ~$30M per year, a record at the time. Now the merely decent players are approaching that number. Very good but not great are earning far more. I expect salaries to increase over time but they ballooned.

I think you'd find similar in the NFL and MLB.

6 hours ago, BADGERVOL said:

I get this feeling IF we land some big fish this kid could be one of these we have to pass on and regret it for a few years. I hope we have and make room for him. Even if we get McNeely’s shooting. Having a great shooter that stays maybe a full four years is vital IMO

McNeely could easily be gone after 1 year so even if we land both the chances are they wouldn't play together.

1 hour ago, ledies22 said:

dont want to turn this into a queen thread, but i dont know if you can say that yet. I think Queen is a better rated recruit than TJD was.

Queen is a very good player but he likely wouldn't be at good as a freshman as TJD was during Woodson's time at IU were TJD had 2 years of experience. JD wasn't surrounded by players like McNeely and others that the staff is trying to bring in. So the situation of having to play through the center position doesn't make as much sense as it did with TJD's teams. That was the point I was trying to make that I didn't phrase well.

Back to McNeely, I think he is the key to landing a great class. The first domino. I think IU's chances at players like Queen and Fland greatly improve if they can play with him. 

50 minutes ago, IUfaninIllinois said:

I think our biggest competition for Queen is Maryland and for McNeeley is Texas. If they want to play together IU is pretty much the only common denominator. With that being said Does Queen want to be a one and done? Is he too similar to TJD? Not that being similar to TJD is a bad thing but Woody wants to be a faced laser run and gun NBA style and said he had to change because of TJD. Does getting Queen affect that? I’d take Queen in a heart beat as he hustled and I think plays bigger than he is but if I remember correctly he is literally just a back to his back post player. 

Queen isn't an All-American in college like TJD was under Woodson. TJD also didn't have 4 good shooters around him so the offense made sense to start with him. Woodson can still have an inside player as long as he has 4 players than can extend the floor to have the offense he wants and he's trying to recruit those types. Queen already shows signs of being a really good passer, which helps.

52 minutes ago, bluegrassIU said:

I freaking love "insiders". Especially when they say what I wanna hear.

They're the best then. The rest of the time they're idiots who have no idea what they're talking about. It's amazing.

10 hours ago, iuthruandthru said:

Of note saw both Trace and Race together in town today.  Wonder if they can be involved in the recruiting in any way?

They'll probably be involved in the recruiting but most likely they're there to watch Trayce's brother.

Just now, Drroogh said:

It’s still the Big 10 isn’t it?????

Exactly.

1 hour ago, IUFLA said:

What will they call it? APWRLCC (Atlantic, Pacific, White Rock Lake, Coast Conference)?  

The conferences really care about having accurate names.

43 minutes ago, IUALUM03 said:

I actually don't want rules that will affect the ability of college basketball to have varying types of offenses and defenses.  That is the one thing that makes it special versus the NBA.  I want to see contrasting styles where run and gun teams are stifled by more prodding offense and steadfast defense as an example and can overcome talent gaps. It creates a certain level of gamesmanship and puts emphasis on strategy/philosophy. 

It makes it more interesting and allows teams to punch up from a talent perspective.  I do love the NBA, but style and statistics have pretty much made the name of the game the same across all teams with small variation. 

This is a good point. A slower pace gives teams with less talent a chance to pull off an upset. That is one of the things that make NCAA ball, and the tournament in particular, popular. It might be ugly and/or boring to watch most times, but everyone loves an upset (except for the team/fans getting upset lol).

4 minutes ago, 13th&Jackson said:

True, you wouldn't want to mess with this:

With Northwestern and Georgetown playing you just know you're going to get some good basketball.

50 minutes ago, tdhoosier said:

I will settle this debate (hikes up pants)....there is more purposeful passing in the NBA. They don't get stuck in ruts of uselessly passing it in and out of the post as much. So, pure volume, college wins with passing. 

Funny, when I watch NBA games after watching a whole bunch of college games, the first thing I notice is how good the passing is. It's so quick and skillful in the NBA. 

There's the key difference in all things different in play between college and the NBA, including passing.

Only the best players make the NBA and are vying for spots on 30 teams. So even the washouts were very good college players. With 15 roster spots per team, that's only 450 players total. They also get paid to hone their basketball skills and get as much time to work on that as possible.

The NCAA has over 350 schools which each get 13 scholarship spots plus walk-ons.  That means the talent is so diluted that the speed and skills needed to make a 24 second shot clock work just isn't there. Even the 30 second clock is pushing it. They also don't have as much time to work on their skills between school and NCAA limited coaching time.

24 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

A lot of the recruiting services/gurus aren't either I guess...

Miller's first class was 

Race (His)

Al Durham (Crean's)

Justin Smith (Crean's)

Clifton Moore (Crean's)

The guy Miller got (Race) turned out to be pretty good...I don't know if I'd call Al or Justin "busts" but Clifton Moore fits that bill

His first class of his own was the 10th ranked class nationally, and 2nd in the Big 10...

Romeo

Hunter

Anderson

Phinisee

Forrester

Romeo may not have lived up to our lofty expectations, but he wasn't a bust...Hunter had the leg issues which I think really derailed his career...Phinisee didn't live up to expectations and I think the concussions had something to do with that...Forrester and Anderson, yeah, busts...

Trayce and Armaan can't be on that list...And that was actually his lowest rated class (56 nationally and 8th in the Big 10)

Lander, Geronimo, Leal, Galloway...were the 15th ranked class nationally and 2nd in the Big 10...Lander was a definite bust...I don't think the expectations for Leal were all that high, and Geronimo might not have become what we thought he would, but he also didn't develop any more under Woody than he did under Miller...

The only guy in his last class was Duncomb...Not gonna say anything to suffer the wrath of Nana  

I don't know...Like I said, I put it more into the development camp, and trying to coach more talented recruits like he did the classes he had at Dayton...

JMO...

 

Almost all of the Miller players who transferred out moved down in competition. That's a sign of bad player evaluation. Or maybe his coaching just made them worse. 

Of the Langford, Hunter, Anderson, Phinisee, and Forester class, the only one who wasn't a bust was Langford. You can make excuses for Hunter and Phinisee but neither performed to the level of expectations. Even after transferring, Hunter played better but not as good as expected and I would still consider a bust.

TJD and Franklin. Good class. Neither were busts.

Lander, Geronimo, Leal, and Galloway class: Lander was definitely a bust as you admit. Leal and Geronimo haven't improved which goes to poor evaluation. I don't know if I'd consider them busts as they didn't have high expectations but because of that I'm not convinced they should've been recruited in the first place. Especially to a team already lacking in talent.

Duncomb was also a bust.

That's a pretty poor showing for the players he did land. But I also look at players he missed. Two I can think of off the top of my head that Miller supposedly wanted badly were Matt Cross and Ethan Morton. Matt Cross hasn't done jack at the D1 level and has transferred multiple times. Ethan Morton has not impressed while at Purdue. I know there are other bad players he wanted and missed on but I'm not going to bother going to look. Every year I seem to see multiple players Miller missed on transferring and usually moving down.

22 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

I am being serious...You can criticize Miller in a lot of ways (development, usage, overall game plans) but he did get kids outside of Indiana...Along with Trayce, Romeo, and Lander, who were the in state cream of the crop if Iremember right...

I don't think his recruiting was the issue...

And you didn't say, "out of region kids."  

Player evaluation is part of recruiting and Miller was not very good at that. He recruited a lot of busts - both players he landed and those he missed on.

15 minutes ago, ledies22 said:

agree with the first part.

second part is a little confusing. your argument is teams waste a few seconds to get into their offence and end up with late clock bad offense, but your solution is to take away 6 seconds to hope that teams produce a better shot quicker?

Yeah, if they waste time now it just means that the offense you see after they stop wasting time is the offense you'd see with a 24 second shot clock. It would just be without the initial time wasting. Or if they still wasted time, the offense would be even worse.

Recruiting is a numbers game. You get enough visits from recruits and make enough top x lists and you'll start landing some. The number of highly ranked recruits that are visiting IU and including them in their top lists has greatly increased. This greatly increases the chance of IU landing some of them.

25 minutes ago, Maedhros said:

I wonder what odds you could get on whether he makes that Texas visit.

 

This has been a long recruitment already so I doubt he suddenly becomes impulsive and commits before making all the visits. Especially considering the last visit is to his home state school which has been recruiting him for a long time and shown him love.

I really like IU's chances but just don't see him deciding before Texas visit.

On 4/13/2023 at 3:10 PM, NotIThatLives said:

Can someone refresh on these portal window rules? 

Have to enter the portal by May 11?  This doesn't apply to grad transfers?  What about guys in the draft process?  Is that why so many are saying I'm testing the NBA but also entering the portal?

And do these dates have anything to do with committing?

Thanks for any explanation 

@IUFLA covered most of these so I won't covering most of them that he did.

The May 11th deadline is if they want to be immediately eligible next season (excluding grad transfers) but they can actually enter at any time. 

The deadline doesn't apply to committing, just entering. No NCAA deadline for committing but before a school's semester/quarter starts would make sense.

1 hour ago, 02Hoosier said:

Maybe I spoke too early…

”Morris was arrested for misdemeanor assault after a physical altercation with his ex-girlfriend, an incident that threatened to derail his Texas career before it started, but Beard declined to comment on the arrest and never suspended Morris, whose trail was postponed last month.”

https://www.burntorangenation.com/platform/amp/2023/4/10/23678004/arterio-morris-enter-ncaa-transfer-portal-texas-longhorns

He’s also from Dallas. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up at Houston.

Beard didn't suspend him for that? Why am I not shocked?

Seems like the type of person Sampson would have no problem with.

On 4/7/2023 at 10:11 AM, Between2Halls said:

This is funny. 

 

They really seem to reach out to practically every player that enters the portal and it's been like that for the past few years. Nebraska is another team that seems to show up as having been in contact by every portal player.

On 1/26/2023 at 12:16 AM, FKIM01 said:

Bronny James on the McDonald's AA team, despite not showing up in any top 25 list I've found. Two legit questions:

Does having a famous father gain you spots in the rankings?

Would he make the McD roster without a famous father?

I have opinions on both.  Will be interesting to see how far that last name carries Bronny.

I don't think it normally matters much but, in this case, being Lebron's son I believe has helped his ranking. 

No way he's a burger boy if he wasn't Lebron's son.

11 hours ago, 5fouls said:

Watching St. Mary's vs BYU right now.  Was half expecting to see Matt Carlino playing for the Mighty Mormons.

 

I think he's transferred 7 more times since then and is on school #23.

2 hours ago, BGleas said:

Basically Purdue gets called for the least amount of fouls in the conference by a pretty healthy margin. 

The difference between 1 and 2 is greater than that between 2 and 14. Ridiculous. No way they foul that much less than every other team in the B1G.