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4 minutes ago, MrsStoller said:

I’m from Indy but moved to the NE Indiana/Fort Wayne area several years ago. I saw nothing but a 75-80% empty arena when the Mad Ants would play, and that’s being generous. No offense, but I didn’t get the sense they were valued very much up here. Now if we talk hockey, if the Komets ever left, that would be a major kick in the shin to FW.

No G League team draws many fans.  It’s not a great product.  That being said, it was very well supported by some pretty influential people up here.  The local community put a lot more effort into it than the Pacers did.  And you don’t build goodwill by taking a community asset away from the second biggest city in the state just because you want to cry about the government not building you a downtown arena that you wouldn’t have to share with the hockey team.

3 hours ago, MrsStoller said:

To be fair, the Simons have been involved with the Indiana Pacers since the early 80’s. I’m 56, and remember the day the Pacers had to have a fundraiser on TV in Indy to keep the team alive. Bobby & Nancy Leonard were asking people to donate $ to keep the team here post ABA days. Without Herb & Mel Simon’s purchase of the team, and commitment to keeping the team in Indy, the Pacers would be a distant memory. The drafting of Reggie Miller turned out to be the best decision post-purchase, and they nearly won the damn thing. I think they can do it again someday. It’s a different era.

All that having been said, it’s just a reminder that NBA experience doesn’t equate to college experience. The Simons have earned a lot of goodwill thru the Pacers and other projects, and it’s my sincere hope that whomever of the Simons is involved in keeping CMW in place no matter the results reconsiders that decision (if, in fact, they are part of this whole thing). Because currently that goodwill is being diminished by the refusal to look objectively at ROI on this head coaching position (again, assuming their involvement).

They also diminished some of their goodwill in the NE part of the state when they pulled the Mad Ants out of Fort Wayne.  Given that this area already had its fair share of fans that go to Pacer games and root for the opposing team (Celtics, Lakers, etc.) as well as the growing numbers of Purdue, Michigan, and Michigan State basketball fans up here, the Simons might want to do a better job reading the room in this part of the state if they expect any return on their investment to realized from here.

28 minutes ago, Drroogh said:

TRINE University wins the NCAA DivIII National Basketball Championship!!! Way to go Thunder representing the State of Indiana playing in Allen Fieldhouse Ft Wayne!

The funny thing is I am at Trine’s football field watching Fort Wayne Carroll v. Penn boys lacrosse

1 hour ago, hoopsta007 said:

So essentially we should switch to using Vegas point spreads for results.  In NET world some wins aren’t actually wins and some losses aren’t actually losses anymore?

Vegas uses systems almost exactly like the NET to develop their pointspreads

1 hour ago, 94hoosier said:

Not saying ignore it at all. Just saying 70 spot difference is not accurate. 

Winning close games can be conspired a good thing as well

Again not saying we are a great team or belong in the tournament. Just saying we compare good to other bubble teams. I’ve watched St. john’s Villanova Wake Forest and others. Not sure they are better than us. Every calling Iowa and OSU a bubble team is crazy

I hope Indiana State makes it in but if they played our schedule would they have a different outcome?  Doubt it Doubt they would have even finished with 8 wins in BTT. 

Too much weight is given to the scoring difference. Coaches are going back to playing shitty teams and running up the score to improve the metrics. You used to play tough schedules because that helped get you in. Now you play bad teams and blow them out. Doesn’t sound like a good way to me

You make a good point about winning close games.  As someone who produces metrics, I struggle with determining how much weight to give that, to be honest.  KenPom completely ignores it and calls in “luck” in a separate column.  Some teams just have a knack for winning close games, and some teams just have a string of good luck.  So if you account for it, you run the risk of overrating lucky teams.  

4 minutes ago, IowaHoosierFan said:

You can complain and moan about this all you want.  They have more +15 point wins and less +15 point losses than we do compared to the wins/losses.  It's really not hard to figure out the metrics behind what the NET is doing.  Kill the 300+ team you play and don't get your ass handed to you very often by anyone else, then + wins enough to stay in the top 50 and you're pretty golden.  We had way too many mid/low single digit wins against shitty teams early and then gave up to many 15+ losses over the season.  We also win close alot of games.  How many low single digit games do we win by.  No one cares if you win by 1 if you're undefeated or close to it.  But a 18 to 20 win season, you can't win a majority of your games by single digits.  You're going to be considered mediocre.  

They have to use something to differentiate the team with similar Quad wins/losses.  What else are they going to look at?  Paint vs 3point scoring?  Rebounds? Efficiency maybe?

All this is coming from me, who knows nothing about anything, so take what i say and ignore it

This is actually spot on.  They had a result-based metric with the RPI and people didn't like that, either.  The bottom line is people like metrics that help their cause and don't like metrics that don't help their cause.

6 minutes ago, IowaHoosierFan said:

I going with he didn't show up in practice and Coach Woodson knows what he is doing?

There are a few on the team where I would believe it if someone said they didn't show up in practice.  Leal isn't one of them.

55 minutes ago, Threedom said:

Me too.  Not sure why, but have always kind of paid attention to DePaul and hoped it could get going again.  Surprised a Chicago pipeline of some sort can’t result in a decent team.  The good ole days with Dallas Comegys and Tyrone Corbin.  

Oh, the good ole days were Mark Aguirre, Terry Cummings, and Clyde Bradshaw, lol

Amazing how well we started the season, to absolutely go in the dumpster so fast.  Wonder what happened.

1 minute ago, bronkonagurski said:

A tradition unlike any other.

So what are the odds those top rated Rutgers commits end up being lured elsewhere?

Something is horribly wrong when we can't keep a top recruit but Rutgers keeps two of theirs.

1 minute ago, IowaHoosierFan said:

I thought we were like 86 or something after the win against MSU

I think it was KenPom that had us 86

2 minutes ago, IowaHoosierFan said:

we're currently 93 in the Net.  We somehow dropped from yesterday to today

We moved up from 97 to 93

3 hours ago, btownqb said:

FK has no clue what he is talking about. Again, IU fans throw shade at Jack... they have no clue what they're talking about. River schools are upset BC has owned them for the last three years. 

If Jack played at New Albany there'd be no questioning him. For some reason, even though we play HANDS DOWN, the best 2A schedule in the state... some still are? Laughable. 

Brownstown Central played a significantly tougher schedule than, say, Heritage Hills.  

Just for fun, my metric's predictions:

4A:  East Chicago Central 60, Mishawaka 54.....Crown Point 56, Warsaw 48.....Fishers 64, Kokomo 57.....Fort Wayne Wayne 69, Fort Wayne North 59.....Lawrence North 64, Avon 48.....Ben Davis 64, New Palestine 57.....Jeffersonville 60, Evansville Harrison 58.....Center Grove 57, Franklin 53.

3A:  Hammond Noll 54, Fairfield 49.....South Bend St. Joseph 72, John Glenn 48.....West Lafayette 63, Peru 62.....Delta 51, Fort Wayne Concordia 41.....Guerin Catholic 61, Indianapolis Washington 49.....Danville 65, Northview 54.....Scottsburg 60, Batesville 44.....Evansville Bosse 55, Southridge 53.

2A:  Westview 48, Wabash 46.....Gary 21st Century 64, North Judson 40.....Wapahani 60, Tipton 58.....Fort Wayne Blackhawk 60, Lafayette Central Catholic 49.....Park Tudor 80, Irvington Prep 48.....Park Heritage 57, Northeastern 50.....Forest Park 65, Switzerland County 52.....Brownstown Central 70, Sullivan 45.

1A:  Marquette Catholic 53, Demotte Christian 50.....Elkhart Christian 56, Tri-County 49.....Liberty Christian 56, Seton Catholic 55.....Fort Wayne Canterbury 65, North Vermillion 48.....Greenwood Christian 54, Oldenburg Academy 41.....Bethesda Christian 51, Clay City 45.....Barr-Reeve 55, Christian Academy 45.....Evansville Christian 75, Trinity Lutheran 44.

53 minutes ago, DC2345 said:

I can say this with almost certainty. Woodson doesn't care what the roster looks like after next year. He's all in on winning next year.

I could see a really great year or an absolute disaster, and probably little chance of anything in between.

41 minutes ago, Proud2BAHoosier said:

But UC Santa Barbara at 5-5 #25??

Yeah, that makes no sense

15 minutes ago, KoB2011 said:

The issue is the BoT is above the AD and President, and Quinn "7 threes in 8 years" Buckner is the President of the BoT. And he apparently doesn't see an issue playing inside-out, at least not if the option to do otherwise involves firing his buddy. 

Quinn should see an issue with being “8 and 10 in this f*****g league”

1 hour ago, dbmhoosier said:

It's gonna get ugly folks.  Really ugly.  I had hoped it wouldn't come to this but Buckner is hell bent on putting his friendship over the best interests of the University.  Buckle up.

Dolson is not the problem.

Exactly the way I was afraid this would unfold, unfortunately 

1 hour ago, Purdue7 said:

Those programs all cheated….

So has Purdue.  Find me one that hasn’t.

5 minutes ago, Indykev said:

Another AD with balls ripping the band aid off.

Ironically, he played for Pepperdine and was their head coach twice.  And he’s 65.

7 minutes ago, iuswingman said:

Maybe May hasn't been announced at osu because he is waiting on us

Nobody that currently has a job is going to be announced for another job until that coach’s season is over.

1 minute ago, dgambill said:

Has anyone got Dusty on record saying IU is his dream job? Just wondering because my dream job at 18 was a lot different than 45….and #1 on my list now is $$$ and opportunity…far from what was important growing up. Who says IU is his dream job?? Who says that’s where he wants to go? Not fighting just would like to know because I’ve heard him on the radio and tv down here in Florida a lot and never heard that from him…in fact haven’t heard anything about wanting to coach at IU some day.

I haven’t heard him publicly say that.  People close to him have said it.  And I’ve heard there’s an IU escape clause in his contract, but I haven't personally seen his contract to confirm that.

1 minute ago, btownqb said:

I don't think Steve Alford is a good example to use. He sealed his own fate. 

I mean, yeah, I guess we're running the risk of Dusty being butthurt and not wanting to come here later on. Sorry but that is how I would describe your scenario. 

Agreed on Steve Alford.  Maybe Brad Stevens is a better example.  And I'm not saying May would necessarily be butthurt.  But then again, people do get butthurt all the time, lol.

1 minute ago, btownqb said:

It would be hard to convince me that was the dream, then. You don't change where you're from, what's bred into you. 

As you get older (Dusty is 47, will be maybe 55 or so when Pearl would theoretically be done here), you sometimes recognize that dreams you had were unattainable, and your new reality, where your feet are now, becomes your dream.  See: Steve Alford.  Again, I hope you're right and we see him coach here someday, but sometimes that happens when you tell a guy he isn't good enough for you.

16 minutes ago, btownqb said:

lets say.... you were Dusty May, I bet you love IU just as much/close to what Dusty does.... not sure where you grew up, but Dusty also grew up in essentially Indiana's verison of the "outskirts" of a city (Bloomington)... right? I mean the guy went to Eastern Greene HS.. EGHS to Assembly Hall is a 25 min drive.. 

Again, lets say this is YOU..... would YOU take the IU job, even after a successful stint at OSU?...... 

I think you would. 

OSU/FAU would be jobs for Dusty--- Indiana would be the dream. 

Hope you're right.  On the other hand, if I had just built a low-major program pretty much from nothing, won 35 games and gone to a Final Four, and my dream place to coach decided someone else was better, I might have a new dream: take a job in their conference and beat the hell out of them.