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6 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I heard Chris Denari is interviewed on the radio and he knew Brad from his days at Butler. Denari and Stevens both were on an NBA trip over seas and Denari was talking to Brad and his wife. Both of them said they hav no desire to go back to the college coaching life style. In college even when Brad was at home he still was in the first home with recruits or players family. They just didn't have much family time in college. In the NBA he has more time for family stuff even during the season 

I get that.  But if an NBA team was paying you $5-6 million, would you say in an interview, “I would consider coaching at Indiana if they offer enough?”  I personally don’t put much stock in the answers to those types of questions.  The bottom line is, if Stevens really had absolutely no intention of taking IU’s job, he was playing IU big time.  And maybe he was.

2 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

Are you 100% sure I'm not Brad Stevens?  

Yes.  Stevens has only had one wife.  I’m not new here, haha.

1 minute ago, BGleas said:

Right, but these people know Brad Stevens and are with him daily. They've had conversations with him about this, and would be speaking with him driectly about these things. 

I believe IU people thought they maybe had a chance. I don't for a second believe there was some vote and Stevens wanted to come back to college. 

I wasn’t told anything about a family vote.  What I was told was obviously from the IU side.  But if the detail of what was shared with me was just Stevens playing games with IU, I certainly hope IU isn’t dumb enough to still have his phone number.

1 minute ago, BGleas said:

I'm sure some people around the program maybe thought they had a chance. I don't doubt that part of it. 

But, he wasn't coming. He doesn't want to come back to college. I spoke directly to a high ranking person in the Celtics org, and he laughed at the idea of Stevens coming back to college. 

I understand what they told you.  None of us are Brad Stevens so we don’t know what he was thinking.  It’s certainly possible he threw a number out that he thought IU couldn’t meet just to play games, and IU met it.  I tend to doubt that, though.

3 minutes ago, BGleas said:

I just don't believe that actually happened. Understand that there's a Boston side and an IU side to this story. 

But people directly inside the Celtics org laugh at the notion of Stevens going back to college coaching. 

I’ve heard the same thing, same numbers, from someone else.  Was told a big chunk of it would have come from a donor and IU thought they had him.

8 hours ago, btownqb said:

Jennings County was knocked off, too. 

Wow!

5 minutes ago, Seeking6 said:

Sure am sorry about that. Was including 85-86 because of getting beat by Richmond. I know certain teams getting beat by double digit seeds in tourney not once, not twice, but 3x is all glossed over. My apologies. 

PS...my aunt, uncle, and sister were in school at the time. Getting beat by Richmond that year to them was worse vs Crean early years, all of Archie,etc...combined.

Yes, the ending was disappointing.  But the year before (which you also listed) we were in the NIT and something like 7-11 in the Big 10.  So 85-86 was actually a really good bounce back season despite the Richmond loss.  I’d compare the feeling of 85-86 to that of Woodson’s first season.

12 minutes ago, Seeking6 said:

84-85

85-86

03-04

04-05

05-06

08-09

09-10

10-11

16-17

17-18

18-19

19-20

20-21

These years alone are infinitely worse vs this year. In staying with board rules I won't attack the poster but the comment. This year is no way worse. Now I will say one thing that is a common denominator post Knight. If somebody is say approaching 40 years old. 11 of the worst IU basketball seasons of all time have been in the last 22...or roughly the age somebody graduated from IU. Food for thought.

85-86 was my freshman year of college.  We finished second in the Big 10 in a race that came down to the final game at Michigan.

Columbia City has been knocked out of the girls tournament, falling to Homestead 57-49 tonight on their home court in the sectional championship.

Just now, rogue3542 said:

I don’t think it’s so much that NW didn’t foul a lot: they did.

It’s that Purdue never gets called for it. It’s delusional to think that a D1 basketball team playing a game the other team is making as physical as possible can go nearly halfway through the second half without being called for a single foul.

I think the way Purdue is officiated goes way back to the ‘80s with Gene Keady.  He started bringing guys like Jim Rowinski in, putting them in the weight room, and having them go on the court and play like a snow plow.  Every time the officials would call a foul, Keady would run up and down the sideline screaming “that’s bullshit” and before long the officials started backing down, and thus Purdue “established that’s the way they play.”  Likely also the reason Keady never did squat in the tournament.

16 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said:

During his lifetime....yes.

The 76-77 team ended with a record of 14-13 that was adjusted to 16-11 because Minnesota had to forfeit all their games, including two wins against us. This included a 17 point beatdown by Purdue in AH.

Yes, we were coming off what should have been 2 consecutive undefeated seasons, and RMK certainly had earned a down year, but that still doesn't explain away the fact that when a team loses a huge amount of talent, like both that team and this year's team, there is going to be a drop off. Has CMW deserved to see it through this year? I think so. We'll end up better than 14-13, for sure. Did RMK's system suddenly not work, or had he not built a good roster? What do you think?

And before you bring up the talent on this team, that 76-77 team still had an All-American in Benson. Woodson averaged 18.5 ppg as a freshman. Glen Grunwald, who RMK stated several times was the best player he ever recruited before he got hurt, was a freshman. Wayne Radford (RIP) was a solid player who was drafted and played for the Pacers. The team was not bereft of talent.

When a team was as dependent on one or two players as last year's was, and those guys leave, there absolutely is going to be an adjustment. Indictment or no, off seasons happen. And I happen to believe that this year does not mean that the state of IU basketball is falling off a cliff.

 

Remember that year well even though I was still a kid.  Yes, even though 4 starters had graduated, the 76-77 team had talent.  It was pre-season #5 in the country.  It was a shocking season after 2 undefeated regular seasons, for sure.

18 minutes ago, tdhoosier said:

Let’s bring in Crean as an offensive coordinator. 

Sure.  I miss everybody here calling him Clappy and bashing his hair, his tan, his pants, and what and how much he drinks during games.  Fun times.

2 hours ago, rico said:

Izzo made the FF in 2019.

What does that get him this year?  Does he get an extra win or 2 in the standings?  I guess I just don’t get what a FF 5 years ago means if I am evaluating what kind of success a coach is going to have now and in the foreseeable future.  The game and the recruiting landscape has changed a lot in the past 5 years and, quite frankly, Izzo has had more scandals than successes in his program since 2019.

1 hour ago, tdhoosier said:

I’d say Izzo has earned a little leeway.  Per Wiki…

Izzo has led the Spartans to eight Final Fours in the NCAA Tournament, which include the NCAA National Championship in 2000 and a Runner-Up finish in 2009. His teams have won ten Big Ten regular season titlesand six Big Ten tournament titles in his 28 years at Michigan State. Izzo has the most wins in school history and has appeared in 25 consecutive NCAA tournaments, the longest streak of tournament appearances all-time in men's college basketball. He has never had a losing season as a head coach.^[4] In addition, MSU set the Big Ten record for the longest home court winning streak between 1998 and 2002. Several of these accomplishments led former ESPN analyst Andy Katz to deem Michigan State the top college basketball program for the decade of 1998 to 2007.^[5]

Izzo is currently the longest-tenured coach in the Big Ten Conferenceand his teams are often recognized for their rebounding prowess and defensive tenacity. He has won four national coach of the year awards and maintains a considerable coaching tree—several of his former assistants are currently head coaches at other Division I schools. Izzo has won 10 regular-season conference titles, the third most in conference history. He has also won the most Big Ten tourney titles (six) in conference history.

On March 6, 2022, Izzo surpassed Bob Knight for the most wins by a men's basketball coach at a Big Ten school with 663.

To be honest, I’ve never understood the rationale that a coach should be given “leeway” for sucking now because he was good 15-20 years ago.  What he did before has no bearing on now.

6 minutes ago, btownqb said:

We've had a Queen topic thread for 2.5 years. 

He gets more attention by starting a new thread.

5 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

That kind of fan support is a blessing when things are going well and a curse when it isn't.  In basketball we are like 1980's and 90's and early 2000's Alabama.  Just kind of mediocre for the most part.  They had their title in 1992 and we had a run in 2001.  Other than that, they were kind of meh from 1980 to 2009.  Sure there were seasons here and there that were good but nothing huge to write home about.

Then they got their guy and things took off.  That is Indiana.  This place is hard to coach at if you are just kind of mediocre.  People want to win.  The fan support is awesome if people feel like things are progressing forward.  When things start to turn south though, the patience isn't there.  I think as a coach you have to embrace that reality.

You cannot go into a bunker here and you cannot look like you are treating this like a hobby.  If you aren't winning, you have to be as honest as you can be with why.  "My guys aren't getting it..."  OK, so what are you doing about that?  If things are going well though, this place is magical.  There are few that can compare.

I think your comparison to Alabama is spot on.  Of course at some point we have to find our Nick Saban.

5 minutes ago, ForHumanity said:

What part of our game did we improve on from the previous game? 

Our elbow-throwing technique.

5 hours ago, IUCrazy2 said:

I want to win.  If they do to, their money hasn't been getting them that.

Well, it’s hard to buy wins unless you pay the refs, lol.  As far as paying for the means to get wins, there are a lot of different and sometimes wild opinions about how to do that, even among people with money.

8 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

At the time.  I mean, I guess I don't understand the mentality of super rich people because I have never been there, but the school coming to ask me to light a few million on fire every few years would get really old, really quick for me.

While I'm far from super rich, the few that I've known generally love to use their money to get what they want.

2 hours ago, IU Scott said:

I like Dusty May but if he wasn't an IU grad and former manager for the basketball program would he be on your list.

 

Yes.  He's on everybody's list that wants to fire their coach.  Browse around the Internet a little bit and you'll see.

My apologies for making this a Dusty May thread with my joke, but while we're on the subject, I want to address the notion that Dusty May is probably no different than Crean or Archie, because more than a few people have made that comment.  If you believe that, I invite you to do some research: Look at Marquette's program, both its long history and the 5-10 years before Crean got there and see if you think Crean really elevated the program, or just maintained it.  Then do the same thing with Dayton, both its long history and the 5-10 years before Archie got there.  Finally, do the same thing with Florida Atlantic and see if Dusty May elevated the program.  If it doesn't hit you then that one is totally different than the other two, I guess I don't know what to tell you. 

1 hour ago, Inequality said:

Unfortunately Dusty wont get a chance. Even though he has figured out how to win with less and coach K has vouched for him as being one of the best in the game. As much as I could get behind him after watching some of his interviews, IU needs an elite proven performer. The fans are restless. Recruits and transfers want stability and proof that their time wont be a wasted mess that will lead to them transferring or missing their chance at the next level. But, who knows what is to come and when.

As for the op, I want action and less excuses. I want to see a change for the better.

Don’t be surprised if Dusty is the most proven performer who will take the job.

And since I posted it the thread, albeit jokingly, I’ll answer the question.  I want to see honest effort from the players.  I want to see blocking out and rebounding, defense for 40 minutes, and going after loose balls.  That at least gets us to mid-March.  If and when I see that, it will help me decide what I want to see from mid-March to May.

Do you mean the month, or Dusty? (lol)

12 hours ago, DC2345 said:

I guess but I look at things from the perspective of what the staff is planning on because that’s the most likely outcome.

I get that, but I hope the staff has multiple backup plans in place.  I hope the staff remembers that their perspective as to what kids are going to do 5 months in the future hasn't necessarily matched what has actually ended up happening.  And that's not a knock on the staff, it's just reality.  Nobody can sit here and say with anywhere near 100% certainty what a kid is going to decide 5 months from now. 

1 hour ago, DC2345 said:

 The problem is things can always change. 

That’s exactly why nobody knows.  And that is actually true.

28 minutes ago, Mike said:

They are gone

 

I remember hearing that year after year about TJD.  Nobody knew then; nobody knows now.