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3 hours ago, Euroclydon said:

Cupps thinks they're quick. We've been watching all season. Anyone else think they are quick?

If anything, they have the slowest foot speed in conference and some of the weakest ball handling skills you will find assembled on one team.

They start two bigs who are slow and methodical with every movement. They also start a freshman in Mgbako who yesterday could not get around a slow 7'0 280 center off the dribble. Quick is not an accurate description.

The guards have so many holes in their games it's hard to imagine this team can win more than two games the rest of the season. Guys playing out of position, a freshman learning the game, and a guy who couldn't recognize a good shot to save his life. All forced into playing more than they should after one injury because they couldn't recruit anyone else that could help now.

It's a poorly constructed team. That's on the coaches. Just as bad, if not worse, they're making the same mistakes we witnessed in their exhibition games. Again, coaches. 

 

 

 

Honesty, it’s hard for me to tell how quick and fast they’d be if they played with some fire and intensity.  At times, there’s a little more quickness and speed apparent in the last 50 second of games when they’re behind.

46 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Brownstown Central girls heading to state! 

Lady Braves play a very good schedule that had them prepared for the tourney! I think Brandon Allman is now 19-4 in the tourney in 5 years with 5 sectional championships, 2 regional championships, and 1 semi state. 

Brownstown Central replaced a coach that was 193-90 in 12 years with a coach that is now 100-40 in 5 years. 

 

This Semi State was held at Shelbyville.. even with the poor conditions there were 4K at the game last night.

Great chance to win state in both girls and boys basketball.  Luers will be tough, though.  All their athletic teams have a habit of having decent to good regular seasons and then peaking at tournament time.

5 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

The only way MM being back matters is if Mike moves him to the 4 and he accepts that role.

While I agree, he's also going to have to be coached to do something other than stand and watch his man collect offensive rebounds.

29 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

Even with RMK here Keady had a winning record vs IU

Not when you remove the vacated games

8 minutes ago, IU_Realist said:

Newton wasn’t a difference maker.  He is a frosh. 
 

We sucked with X as well prior to all his injuries.

 

X is an enigma.  I’ve seen him in warmups where, even with that broken shot, he’ll take a couple dozen three-pointers and hardly miss any.  Next game he can’t hit the broad side of a barn.  Floor game is the same way.

51 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

Let me just ask this...

If Dolson were to entertain letting Mike Woodson go, would it be because of 

A) his overall body of work 

Or

B) the record this year

?

I am not going to be here clamoring for a firing, but if Dolson were to consider it, my short answer to your question would be both.  After all, this season is a good chunk of his overall body of work.

Personally, I can live with the first 2 seasons, although both were at the lower edge of my range of expectations.  The first season was, even though our metrics weren’t a whole lot better, an improvement over Archie’s years record-wise, and we made the tournament.  Second year, second in the Big 10.  Tournament performance was disappointing, but I cut him some slack because X was out.  Again, lower edge of my expectations but I could live with it.

This year is different for me, and it goes beyond the record, which is disappointing by itself.  And I still cut him a little slack because he couldn’t have known Newton and X would be out.  But still, why leave a scholarship open when guard play is such a question mark?  There had to be somebody that could have helped us, I would think.

The things bothering me this year are nonnegotiables like effort.  The lack of effort can be seen on TV and is glaring when you watch them in person.  I don’t know if or how Woodson has addressed it, but it hasn’t changed in 24 games.  Guys just standing instead of blocking out and getting the ball, etc.

I remember Woodson acknowledging in his introductory press conference that “ the 3 ball has changed the game.”  He has failed to recruit to that, and therefore can’t play to that.  And speaking of recruiting, he has failed to sign anyone from Indiana and is in danger of losing some big time Indiana recruits in upcoming classes who supposedly aren’t enamored with his system.  I’m not a proponent that all our kids have to be Indiana kids, but if we’re going to be elite again, we have to take full advantage of our fertile recruiting ground.

So I would just say, beyond the two choices you gave, there are some big red flags that might justify Dolson’s decision if he elected to make a change.

8 minutes ago, dgambill said:

Agree…but which history are you referring to? History to anyone say 45 and older or 40 and younger?  Because those are two different histories.  Those old enough might have the benefit of remembering what it was like 40 years ago when we hung the last one….but these kids…and probably their parents don’t. The history to them is well…far inferior to Purdue’s.  Spend more time off the boards and start talking to younger kids…and ones that were even brought up in an IU house and these kids will tell you….why dad…why uncle do you like IU…their terrible….and you bring up old dusty banners and watch their eyes roll back in their head and they say whatever and walk away…its like your grandpa telling you about how Army used to be a powerhouse football program….you roll your eyes at grandpa and say no body is going to Army anymore to play football. Great legacy…but not relevant in modern college football. That is IU…and I wish it would change but until we stop trying to relive the glory days and hire ties to Bob Knight and the sooner we quit looking for quick fixes and do the hard work of building a program the hard way the better.

 

I don't remember Branch McCracken, but I still care about and know that time is part of our history, and therefore part of our program.  My boys are teenagers, with one heading off to IU in the fall, but they know about Bob Knight and are big IU fans.  So are most of their friends.  So, it matters.  But I would agree with you, the further we get away from it, and the fewer people who actually witnessed the glory days, the less it will matter.  We need to get those days back ASAP.

25 minutes ago, Purdue7 said:

Not convinced he’s a Purdue fan but nothing would surprise me 

 

Test for what?

 

Weed on a college campus…shocking!

 

Well, I don’t know why in hell anyone would pretend to be a Purdue fan, lol.

12 minutes ago, HoosierDPU95 said:

 

Again, I'm not trying to make an argument one way or the other. Nor am I arguing that Woodson should stay or go. Just wanting some discussion.

Some have framed this current IU season as the "worst in program history" (excluding the first 3 Crean years). Some have said the program is in a terrible state and spiraling in the wrong direction. With that, if a coaching change is made we will be (once again) in rebuild mode. So I feel there is valid comparison here.

I think people framing this as the “worst season in program history” are pretty high on the hyperbole meter.  There’s little doubt we aren’t good, but there’s been plenty of worse seasons in my lifetime, and I only remember from the early 1970s.  Regardless, Indiana’s college basketball program is still one of the most valuable in the country according to Forbes.  Facilities, resources, recruiting base, alumni base…all still in place ready for the right coach to take advantage of.  I doubt FAU was in Forbes top 300 when May took the job there.

9 minutes ago, HoosierDPU95 said:

I'm not trying to prop up or tear down May. Just providing information and asking this question:

Would the IU fan base be OK with the next 4 years being similar to May's first 4 years at FAU?

I think you’re comparing apples to oranges.  Florida Atlantic and Indiana are not comparable in any way.  FAU was basically nothing when May took over.

50 minutes ago, BobSaccamanno said:

Interesting. Do you recall the before and after NET from the Army game (even ballpark)?

As someone who produces these types of metrics, I can answer your question.  The first NET rankings came out on December 3, well after we played Army.  To produce completely unbiased rankings, it takes time for the teams to play enough games to “connect” with each other in the regression.  Anything you see that is produced before that (KenPom, Sagarin, etc.) includes pre-season or previous year’s data and is not exclusively this season’s data.  But by December 3rd, Indiana had played close games with Florida Gulf Coast, Army, Wright State, Louisville, and Harvard, and had been blown out by Connecticut.  As a result, they were #137 in those December 3rd rankings.  And while they have moved up some, those early games turned out to be a good predictive indicator that they weren’t very good.

47 minutes ago, NCHoosier32 said:

i like to hear this and i'm not doubting, but asking... what style does he coach.  i don't plan to start watching FAU games.  uptempo?  3 point friendly i assume?  anything special on D?

Modern systems on both sides of the ball…uptempo….shot 23 3s today, 28 in their last game…pretty typical numbers for them.

22 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

7 games left.  What do you think we have left in the tank?  Over/under 2.5 wins?  

Northwestern

Nebraska

@Penn St

Wisconsin

@Maryland

@Minnesota

Michigan State

I think we get 3 more.

I’m a realist, not a pessimist or optimist.  Realistically, as of now, I don’t think we’ll be favored in any of those games.  I can see us beating Nebraska because they haven’t been good on the road.  But I would have to go under 2.5.

14 minutes ago, NCHoosier32 said:

i don't even understand.  who is that dude?  and does he mean if none of the fans care that our program will find glory?  

Unfortunately, they may be much closer than they realize to getting their wish.

3 minutes ago, Seeking6 said:

Now what will be really runny is if Mick Cronin takes Ohio St job this offseason.

Lots of thought going around that some guys are not gonna want to be head coaches in college with the NIL and transfer portal.  They say there’s no time left to be a coach.  Boston College just lost their head coach to a DC position with the Packers.  Yes, it’s the NFL, but he still took a pay cut.

1 hour ago, Purdue7 said:

Sparty is 💩 

How are they top 30 in net or Kenpom ?

Close losses, routing bad teams, routing Baylor.  I’d say they are about a 10 seed right now.

In case anyone is interested, Tim Carpenter, the QB from Dayton who de-committed from IU, signed with Kevin Wilson at Tulsa.

On 2/7/2024 at 1:39 PM, 13th&Jackson said:

Yeah, I think that's the only scenario where that could even be an option. Former assistant who became a mid major coach and comes back for one year as heir apparent. Keady and Painter had a long history. There's no one from IU who meets that criteria since Woodson doesn't have a coaching tree. 

Technically, he has a small coaching tree, but no one from IU.  For instance, Darrell Walker, who was on his staff with the Knicks, is currently the head coach Arkansas-Little Rock.

9 hours ago, Hoosier82 said:

It’s not a great look, but whatever. I googled Cig and he’s the best there ever is, was and ever will be…so it doesn’t really matter who we recruit. 

Probably a worse look to acknowledge/celebrate some commitments but not others.  I’m guessing Cig wants them all believing they are big-time recruits.

32 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

The administration has hired back to back amateurs and tasked them with running a big time athletic department, something neither had ever done in their lives. How serious can you be about something when you hire unqualified people to the highest levels of leadership? Would Glass or Dolson sniff another AD job at a P5 conference?? No, they wouldn’t even get an interview.

The fact that you don't agree with their decisions doesn't make them amateurs or unqualified.  Plenty of universities, including Notre Dame, have hired ADs without any previous AD experience.  All of them, including Glass and Dolson, were certainly more qualified than anybody spending 18 hours a day on message boards criticizing them. 

8 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I  have a question?

 

I see where people say the administration wants to devalue the basketball program.

 

I see people saying the BOT runs everything and the president runs everything (Buckner)

 

My question is why would Buckner want to devalue the basketball program that he helped built. Yes he made a huge mistake of hiring Woodson but it wasn't due to him wanting to devalue basketball.

I think that’s mostly just some people’s way of venting.  I certainly agree that we’ve had people in the administration who have not made good decisions, but to claim they don’t care about winning or want to devalue any of our programs is pretty ridiculous.

1 hour ago, rico said:

Jalen Jackson.  Purdue-Fort Wayne.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jalen-jackson-4.html

Have watched him play a few times this year in person.  He can certainly shoot it and finish at the rim against Horizon League competition.  Defense is questionable at best.