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3 minutes ago, iuthruandthru said:

While I certainly don’t like the way this game has gone and have seen a concerning pattern emerge the last few years I think we need a few more games before we can pass judgment on the season.  If this team is playing like this in the middle of the BIG season then I will be really concerned.  But for now I think we have to accept this as a loss and see how the players and coaches adjust for the rest of the OOC schedule and into BIG play.  Hopefully they turn it around and this is a blip.

Measured and reasonable. 
 

Sorry, that’s a rule violation. Exit stage left. 

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1 minute ago, Indiana8585 said:

Whatever if you like being a losing program than go for it but this is year four and nothing has changed. I don’t care who we hire because they’d be better than Archie. I still remember you and others saying how great he would be but he did good at Dayton. Everyone else who hired a new coach got better, Ohio State with Holtmann who we could’ve hired or Louisville with Mack. 

Don't lump me into that about Archie because he wasn even in my top 5 choices when we hired him.  I have seen 3 championship so I know winning programs and knows it is not good to lose patience with a coach.  Probably a good thing you weren't in charge of Duke in 1984 because you would have fired coach K after his terrible 4th year.

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4 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

I am not saying fire him, but all this "wait, wait, wait" nonsense is over.  Judging started before this year IMO but anyone saying we need to wait, wait, wait more is kidding themselves.  Now is the year when Miller is supposed to turn into Coach K and Tom Izzo.  That is what I have heard for the past 3 years.  If we have another year of gatlrbage ball, the trend kind of is what it is.  Except now the honeymoon is over, so recruiting gets harder.  You are selling reality instead of a vision at this point.

Actually coach K had a losing record in year 4

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5 minutes ago, Indiana8585 said:

Whatever if you like being a losing program than go for it but this is year four and nothing has changed. I don’t care who we hire because they’d be better than Archie. I still remember you and others saying how great he would be but he did good at Dayton. Everyone else who hired a new coach got better, Ohio State with Holtmann who we could’ve hired or Louisville with Mack. 

I don't necessarily disagree with this, but at what point do we have to ask is there something else going on outside of just coaching.  Why is Louisville able to take a dip, but bounce back quickly, and same with Ohio State.  I really do wonder if we are somehow hamstringing our basketball program in some manner behind the scenes.  There has been rumors and innuendo, but nothing ever confirmed about us playing by the rules to a capital T, where maybe other programs are a bit looser. 

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5 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

I am not saying fire him, but all this "wait, wait, wait" nonsense is over.  Judging started before this year IMO but anyone saying we need to wait, wait, wait more is kidding themselves.  Now is the year when Miller is supposed to turn into Coach K and Tom Izzo.  That is what I have heard for the past 3 years.  If we have another year of gatlrbage ball, the trend kind of is what it is.  Except now the honeymoon is over, so recruiting gets harder.  You are selling reality instead of a vision at this point.

It sure isn't taking Juwan Howard long.

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