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Well at least he has a lot of playing time he can promise

1 hour ago, Hoosier4Life53 said:

Perhaps, but I’m ok with that…showing support for your coach isn’t a bad thing in my book.

I just feel their statements should have been done separately and focus should have been left on xj and those not returning

22 hours ago, Hoosier4Life53 said:

Maybe because they are “graduating seniors” and wanted to participate in the ceremonies.

Outside of recent years, has anyone done senior night and then come back?

I think it was all orchestrated so they could make public statements in support of woodson.

Guess Woodson gets to decide who the true fans are....and they apparently coincide with the ones with blind loyalty to him.  Woodson is pathetic.

If leal and Galloway are returning then why did they participate in senior night?

Huh

9 hours ago, BGleas said:

 

 

Fans have every right to complain when the 4 million dollar coach turns out to be worse than the 40k rec league coach down the street.  Especially when that 4 million dollar coach doesn't think he has to go out recruiting or answer questions from the media.  That amount of money should be enough to have a coach that isn't lazy at the very least 

Doyel is an idiot based simply on preview sentence since I can't read article.  Of course firing the coach won't fix EVERYTHING but it will at least give us a shot at fixing the biggest anchor to the program.

I ain't gonna talk about my job, ain't going to talk about recruiting...

how's the weather?

2 hours ago, KoB2011 said:

I hear you, but they could have all been told that by someone who is wrong.

Hypothetical, let's say this isn't actually final but you're Quinn Buckner and want to force it to happen, then you release this and dare Scott Dolson to fire him anyway.

Why would dolson be effected by a false rumor?  the media claiming he was safe wouldn't cause me any hesitation.

Most fans wouldn't be upset with the unexpected firing.

13 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

Given the choice of a roster full of kids that are playing for IU to get NIL money, or a roster full of kids that want to play for Bruce Pearl because they personally like him and the system he plays, I'll take the latter group every single time, and I'll take it some more when I'm not given the choice. 

I don't want a roster full of guys that are here for NIL. It should be the tie-breaker, not the #1 reason.  May simply is not going to straight up recruit at the level of Pearl, nor will he excite the fan base as much as Pearl.  

Lol, recruits could come for may as well. Nor NIL for either coach

Would you guys still want Pearl if it meant promising his son would be the successor upon retirement?

The biggest knock on May is the lack of P5 experience.  

We don't know how many players would leave if Woodson is fired and filling a roster is much easier now with NIL and transfer portal.  I don't think we will ever have to mess with another rebuild like Crean had to do simply for the fact that players can transfer and play immediately now.  

I think May could handle filling up the roster just fine. 

Is he fired yet?  Lol

4 minutes ago, Victobmyboy said:

He baited him. It’s very unusual to put that kind of thing in a contract. So much so it’s been pointed out specifically. Dolson just winked and said,”Say when”.

It all hinges on getting it done this year for it to really be useful though.

18 minutes ago, Victobmyboy said:

Dolson is a genius giving that raise with that manageable buyout. We missed the sign. We know Dolson has some nuts. The question now is how big? 

The 100% buyout did get extended by a year.   If Woodson survives another year then we could have been looking at a 50% buyout.

10 minutes ago, 3Ballin said:

So on the whole "play inside-out" thing; when's the last time the National Champion had a post dominant offense?  This is an actual question not some sorta smart @$$ gotcha question. 

It's not so much that you can't win with a team that is led by a post player.  It's the thinking you can win with playing 2 or 3 post players and absolutely no outside threat that is the issue.

Solo post ball > Buddy ball

Dolson was like I'm not going with the ship or taking the heat

Contracts are public record.  Someone may have filled out a request for the info.

Or even more likely since news sites usually report on the contract when it is signed, they probably already had a copy in storage.

1 hour ago, Indykev said:

here you go.

Quinn sure loves Woodson...although at least the buyout isn't bad in that it can be stretched out over years.  Too bad Quinn doesn't have to fund it.

I wonder if they go with the $1 million per year option and Woodson happens to find a job that pays over a $1 million, then would it negate the higher amount from the buyout?

Of course, I don't see Woodson finding another Quinn to give him a high contract.

7 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

I will be happy when this is no longer the most popular thread on the site, regardless of the actual outcome of whatever decision is made.

if cdw is retained then the basketball board may be like...

as everyone relocates to the football board

3 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

Dear Mr. Buckner

 

 

I also would like to say that Mike and yourself are two of my favorite IU players I was fortunate to watch. Both of you embodied what an IU basketball player is supposed to be.

 

I just hate to see both of you tarnish your reputation and legacy because of hiring Coach Woodson as your coach. I just hope you actually look at where the basketball program is and realize it needs to go in a new direction. If what we fans are hearing is true, that you are putting yourself ahead of what is best for the program at this time. It sounds like you are over stepping your duties and not letting the athletic department do their job.

I know you are busy with your Pacer schedule and probably don't get to watch many college games. Let me assure you what we see on the court with IU doesn't match how other successful teams are running their programs. We have no real guard play and we play to many big men at a time. This isn't how it is done in today's college basketball. You watch NBA games and you definitely don't see teams playing this style of basketball.

 

I really hope you will listen to what your AD has to say and let him do his job when it comes to the basketball program.

 

Sincerely,

Scott Roberts.

Not bad.  I would say "because of holding on to Woodson too long"  or something to that effect.  Hiring was already done unfortunately so no point in complaining about that.

Got a to vs too typing error as well in 3rd paragraph.

1 hour ago, Maedhros said:

Indirectly, this actually gets at why I've been okay with Woodson potentially getting a year 4.

He's had two seasons of college basketball experience, and in both years it was easy to craft the narrative things were moving in the right direction. We got back to the tournament for the first time in five years. We followed that up by finishing second in the Big Ten and getting a four seed in the Tournament. In the last 30 years, back to when Knight was coaching Cheaney, only the '13 team had been seeded higher. Recruiting seemed promising, we were in on and landing five star talents. It would have been easy for Woodson to believe he was a successful college coach and had things rolling in the right direction.

This season all the cracks in the foundation were laid bare. Our struggles have exposed all the ways in which we don't play efficient basketball, and make the game harder for ourselves based on what we do and don't prioritize. There are certain skills missing from this year's roster, and our talent elsewhere wasn't enough to compensate.

All these issues can potentially be addressed in one offseaon. The portal allows Woodson to balance out the roster in a way that wasn't done last spring. Another year of experience at this level could make Woodson comfortable with players who won't play in the NBA, but can contribute to winning at the college level. If you want to play inside-out, go get playmakers and shooters to complement your frontcourt.

Lots of lessons to be learned from this season, for a coach who's willing to self-reflect. Is Woodson that guy? I think there's still a chance. There's an urgency and a need to do so now that wasn't present after his first two seasons. I'm okay with a year 4 because I want to see how Woodson responds to failure. If he truly can't recognize the ways in which he failed, then we have our answer. Maybe Dolson is already having those conversations, and knows a change of direction is needed. That's fine too. But as a fan on the outside, my response to a season like this isn't that it's a fireable offense; the fireable offense is allowing it to ever happen again.

His comments recently and refusal to recruit seem to indicate he isn't willing to learn (his ego thinks he already knows what is best).

I don't see another year as anything other than a wasted year.

1 minute ago, btownqb said:

He'd have to have the money backing him to do that, though. 

I guess the follow-up would be can quinn block the money by himself?

Does being the chair give Quinn full power to fire Dolson or would it have to be something voted on by all 9 trustees?

If the latter then I would just fire Woodson if I was Dolson regardless and dare the 9 trustees to fire me over it.

Maybe May hasn't been announced at osu because he is waiting on us

6 hours ago, KDB said:

Trilly update: "At this point my understanding is that if Dolson can get the right guys to flip, they'll make the move. And if they make the move, Bruce Pearl is in line to be the guy."

Are we talking players to flip or people with a lot of influence to flip?

57 minutes ago, IUProfessor said:

You are arguing that it would be a double standard on IU's part. So that is, apparently, the point of contention.

Now if you are shifting to an argument about how sure a thing Pearl is, then again, reasonable minds can disagree. I would agree that given the state of the roster, recruiting class, and impending departures, it's entirely possible Pearl would under perform the first year. 

But to suggest that because his Auburn stint featured a slow build that the same would be true here again overlooks a variety of relevant factors (the historic state of the programs, the circumstances under which he would be assuming the two respective jobs, the advent of the portal and NIL, recruiting base, etc.). So I think any objective observer would have to agree that the odds that Pearl's first 3 years at IU would mirror his first 3 at Auburn (as conveniently opposed to his tenure at USI, UW-Milwaukee, or Tennessee) are slim at best -- probably under 5-10%.

you guys are giving me a headache lol