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7 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said:

Yes…the Miller Kopp stand in the corner role. Thats a low volume shooting role. 

The "stand in the corner" role is pretty much what every single NBA team does on most plays. You're hoping that someone with the ball actually moves it via passing or penetrating. 

Drew Adams recruited Hickman to Bradley and is now at Cincy.  Interesting turn of events. None of this is going to be set in stone in my mind until you get these guys in school etc. 

On 4/9/2024 at 1:07 PM, OGIUAndy said:

It will be interesting to see how many people bolt after the spring game. 

Already starting to see it happen. Howland. 

1 hour ago, DC2345 said:

Payne is 12-14

Hickman 14

Carlyle and Williams are for little 500

So is Rice the 12th?

4 minutes ago, Indykev said:

A lot of inside info these days. who's talking?

Seems like most info is coming from Rabby from what I am gathering. I can't speak for @DC2345 

But some of this stuff I see people quoting Rabby. 

14 minutes ago, BobSaccamanno said:

I am with you. I would like to see more emphasis on skills in our recruitment.  You need complementary talent.  

This is not a shot at Woody but something I feel IU has lost for 20 plus years:  being savvy with in-state assessments.   Athleticism and measurables are great and you need some of that.  But really good scouting involves a deep dive into understanding the talent, projecting them, looking at skills, and building a roster of complementary players.   We’ve got to do a better job looking under the hood, understanding a kid’s makeup, motor, toughness.  These are all hallmarks we’ve got to return to IMO.   This is a program issue, not a Woody issue.  You have to look at your built in advantages and find inefficiencies in the market in recruiting.  Indiana has better high school coaching and competition. Kids play in front of 10k like it’s nothing.  Indiana develops sound kids who are skilled, can shoot etc.   We keep launching teams without those attributes.  Not saying we need a small and unathletic team of shooters.  But look at how many mid major players come kick ass at the bigger levels.  Two started for Connecticut.  Take some of those guys and match them with the Wares and Rices etc. 

Some of the biggest "misses" have been Indiana kids, both who we've passed on and who we've recruited. But don't get tunnel vision. You can't just take an Indiana kid to appease people. It's not where their from but the "Indiana" intangibles that matter. 

4 hours ago, dgambill said:

I don’t think it’s poor recruiting but more poor roster construction…and more importantly at the positions that have the biggest impact on the floor (PG ) but guards in general and having shooters that can space the floor or a dynamic athlete that can break down the defense and get to the rim. When we have had guards like that..we’ve been successful…we just haven’t had many of late.

But I think roster construction has a lot to do with recruiting. And the recruitment of guards is what I am referring to. We've had plenty of talented big men. If we would've hit on as many guards as we did big men, we would have won a lot more. There have been quite of few reaches as far as the group is concerned. I like what we're trying to do in the portal and if we land who we're hearing, we're going to see improvement and quickly. 

48 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said:

My only point in posting the breakdown of transfers was to shoot down the idea that players are only struggling and not developing here, not to try and address any other issues that the program may have. 

I agree, but that was kinda of my point. Most guys that struggle here, struggle elsewhere; they are/were not very good. 

16 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said:

Let's look at this case by case.  I'm leaving out draft entrants and graduates/out of eligibility, so just the transfers that went to another school. 

Year 1 was Lander, Phinisee, Stewart and Durr. Year 2 was Geronimo, Bates and Duncomb.

• Lander averaged 10/8 minutes, 2/3 points and 1/1 assists in his two years at IU.  He averaged 11/23 minutes, 3/9 points and 1/2 assists at WKU.  Didn't improve significantly after transferring. 
• Phinisee averaged 18 minutes, 4 points, 2 assists, 1 steal and 2 rebounds his last year at IU.  At UC, he averaged 16 minutes, 2 points, 2 assists, 1 steal and 2 rebounds.  Didn't improve significantly after transferring.
• Durr averaged 7 minutes, 2 points, 1 rebound and 0 blocks in his one year at IU.  He averaged 21 minutes, 5 points, 4 rebounds and 1 block at UCF.  Didn't improve significantly after transferring.
• Stewart averaged 24 minutes, 6 points, 1 assist and 2 rebounds in his one year at IU.  Those numbers are also comparable to what he averaged at Pitt.  At UT-Martin, he averaged 31 minutes, 16 points, 2 assists and 4 rebounds.  These are comparable numbers to his previous year at UTM.  His numbers improved, but what all 4 years tell me is that he does better against lesser competition. 
• Duncomb retired due to injuries and never played for Xavier. 
• Geronimo averaged 12 minutes, 4 points, 2 rebounds and 1 block his last year at IU.  He averaged 23 minutes, 5 points, 4 rebounds and 1 block at Maryland.  Didn't improve significantly after transferring.
• Bates averaged 20 minutes, 6 points, 2 rebounds, 1 assist and 1 steal in his last year at IU.  He averaged 27 minutes, 13 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist and 1 steal at Mizzou.  That's a noticeable improvement against comparable competition. 

So out of Woodson's 6 voluntary transfers (not counting Duncomb): 4 clearly did not improve, 1's "improvement" was due to lower competition and 1 clearly did improve.  So 1/6, or 16% of Woodson's transfers improved under a different coach. 

I know your agenda is anti-Woodson, but of the players that transferred out under Woodson, they haven't exactly been lighting it up either. 

 

For past several years, the number one issue has been recruiting. This issue has exacerbated any insufficiencies/deficiencies in coaching and/or scheme. We have not done a good job with scouting/player evaluation. This lines up with IU simply not having an overall program/team identity, at least from the outside looking in.

6 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said:

To me this was the perfect "shot across the bow" so to speak.  Cig didn't single anyone out, didn't call out any specific behaviors, but basically said there's a lot of people that need a cranial-rectal extraction. 

The shot across the bow and the end of the road for me last season was when a player from OSU said we were a good/bowl team. And then we did what we did. We've had the talent outside of the injury wrecked season(s), we didn't have much else going on. I am glad we've seemingly finally got a guy who will if nothing else give us an identity. 

Just now, Drroogh said:

2019??

It was a joke. I was thinking about this guy yesterday. Very odd situation. 

1 minute ago, Artesian_86 said:

....though it could be bittersweet, because there could be a possibility of players we love in this group. Coach Cignetti is not going to change for players when his "system" has worked, (at least everywhere he has been up until now).

 

 

I agree with this too. But it seems like his system should benefit both the offense and defense based on what I know (not a lot but what I've read and watched). 

1 minute ago, Zlinedavid said:

If they can't handle being called out publicly like that, are they really that big of a loss?

Not at all. I am ok with coaches calling out guys or the team etc. CTA did a little too much ass kissing of the better players. I am not saying you have to degrade players etc, but there seemed to be a bit of entitlement because of a couple of decent seasons. 

Anyone know when Austin Van Zyl's visit is? 😁 This is a joke btw
 

1 hour ago, Artesian_86 said:

ouch... That's not gonna happen on his watch! The truth hurts.

It will be interesting to see how many people bolt after the spring game. 

1 hour ago, IowaHoosierFan said:

You have to run the weave with a purpose and players who can take advantage when the time comes.  We run the weave just to move the ball around with no actual purpose to do anything with it.  When you watch UConn or any other talented team run that, they have have guards who are looking for a reason to drive and dish or taken an open 3.  We just run through the motion with no real purpose of why we're doing it.

Because our guards aren't good enough or are afraid. Afraid of what? I have no idea. 

14 minutes ago, SawatchHoosier said:

Nebraska is also playing a modern game as well.

I do have to laugh a bit though. When we've run the "weave" or whatever you want to call it at the top of the key, everyone complains about it. UConn ran that set quite a few times in the second half. I believe Archie ran that offense more so than Woody though. IU needs athletic guards. However, if you ask me, it wasn't necessarily UConn's "modern offense" that beat PU it was their speed and athletic ability on defense that shut PU down. PU's guards were dominated defensively. 

16 minutes ago, Hoosier82 said:

Having numerous family and friends who graduated from there, I actually did want Purdue to win…for them, so they could actually experience it in their lifetime….until I saw that twitter post, then it was back to eat sh*t Purdouche. 

Half my friends went to PU. I still didn't want them to win. I could have acted like I was happy for them, but inside I'd be still pissed IU hasn't sniffed it in 22 years.  

7 minutes ago, pinkroync said:

Give the guy some credit. Forget the purdue rivalry hate. 

You did see their fans were chanting f*uck IU right? I'll forget it when they do which will be never. 

17 minutes ago, Between2Halls said:

Elijah Malone (Grace, NAIA POY) to visit Notre Dame on 4/14 and IU on 4/18.

22 minutes ago, Between2Halls said:

They have reached out to Bradshaw. 

and Oumar Ballo (Arizona) 

https://247sports.com/college/indiana/article/indiana-hoosiers-football-2025-wide-receiver-lebron-bond-from-virginia-has-committed-to-the-iu-program-230071975/

2 minutes ago, RoadToZion said:

LFGGGGGG

Please just post what you know! 

1 hour ago, mookied39 said:

Just gonna guess it was the use of the word dork and how some people may take that.  I have not seen the word dork used to describe a college basketball player.....ever?

Fair enough and figured as much but this is a word/term I use for anyone who tries too hard and/or acts and thinks they are little bit cooler than they are. He was annoyingly running around the court showboating like he was Steph Curry. You gotta win something to start doing that kind of stuff. But I am not obtuse, I get the optics. I will update my post.