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17 hours ago, kyhoosier29 said:

I’ve not been a defender since early this past year, but I want the same things you do, and I won’t be rooting for him to lose. But I can’t say I won’t be discouraged a lot quicker than you if things are rough early. 

If it is rough early the expectations ratchet up to end the year.  If they start off slow but make the Final 4, ok, he rounded the roster to where it should be.  If I am hearing about the "hump" in February I am going to be pissed.  This is a talented roster, any humps better be in the rear view by the time conference really kicks off.

18 hours ago, IUFLA said:

And I'm fine with that...the expectations are high and they should be...

But I also don't want to hear the "we bought a team" BS if we are successful...that's the rules of the game right now...

Deal?

The question you have to ask yourself is that if we can "buy" a team then how much does Woodson really matter to that aspect of recruiting?  You didn't want to go on record with anything more than "high" expectations because you are hedging your bets for all the same reasons people like me were all over Woodson last year.  Namely, you are concerned that he is a net negative to the record.

We did buy a team.  We bought a really good team.  So we should expect really good results from this staff.  And if we don't see at least mid-20's in the win column we should move on.  We don't need Woodson to be able to buy a team.  We do need a coach that can win games with that investment though.  Year 4 and he took a couple billionaires donations to buy a competitive team so no excuses from him or you guys this upcoming  year.

15 hours ago, 13th&Jackson said:

There are way too many B1G teams. Having a 20 game schedule with only three home and homes is ridiculous. Conference regular season is meaningless. No way you can balance the schedules 

Yep, I think about the only way you can fairly award now is through the Big Ten tournament.

2 hours ago, IUFLA said:

And I expect this to be the popular take if we do well this year... nothing to do with coaching...we just "bought" ourselves success...

🙄

Draw your line in the sand.  How many wins is success?  We know the majority of the schedule right now.

On 4/24/2024 at 4:43 PM, Maedhros said:

The "true fans" comment was about an as if-the-shoe-fits moment as I can remember. By and large, the people I saw take exception were those already quite vocal that they were out on Woodson. Including a certain host of a postgame podcast.

I'll agree the comment didn't need to be said, at least not by the head coach, who needs to be above that level of discourse. But I also know we had fans literally creating petitions on change.org and emailing the BOT to call for Woodson's job. Pitchforks and torches were out for program legend Quinn Buckner, and even Armond Hill was catching strays just for being caught on camera next to Woodson during games. Wild stuff, and deserving of being called out, if not by that person in that moment. If anyone feels targeted by Woodson's "true fans" comments, it might be worth taking a moment of introspection and asking yourself why.

I have no problem at all with Galloway and Leal responding the way they did, in that moment with the biggest platform they'll have. 

The program is a little bigger than all those people you mentioned.  Anytime someone rolls out a "true fan" argument I just believe that they've run out of support for their position and have instead brought out a sledgehammer to silence critics.

Woodson deserved most of the criticism he got last year.  He has gone out and built a team that he was supposedly not able to build for the past 3 years because of reasons.  There are indicators there that we are currently sitting on a Top 10 to 15 team on paper right now.  So Woodson has a grand opportunity to shut people up with his coaching prowess next year.  Anything less than 23 win is an abject failure with this roster and even 23 should be a "meh" enough result to really question if you want to extend a 67 year old coach (which you almost have to do after this year if you plan to keep him around).

Put up or shut up time for these guys.  They've been running their mouths since the end of the year either in public or behind burner accounts on social media.  After all that talk they better have results.

15 hours ago, IUfaninIllinois said:

Weirdly enough I actually thought about this but I just don’t see him willing to do that.

I could see it for a kid planning his future.  Like, if I know I am a good college player but probably never going to be in the NBA, I take the redshirt for an extra year of free college.  He could have a graduate degree completed in 5 years if he went the accelerated route through the summer.

30 minutes ago, jojo123 said:

Turdue shows it’s true Skidmarks! They had the refs. The NCAA committee. The big ten powers behind them and still shar their pants.  Now listen to all the has been PU pukes on the big network start making excuses. They had it all in their favor and…….   The facts still remain. PU are real chicken chokers. 

I am just glad Edey is gone.

I don't know how any of you could hope these dorks win tonight.  Littlest of little bro syndrome.

11 hours ago, iuthruandthru said:

Not disagreeing but I get why people could see it as a bad sign.  With losing Liam and not understanding what dead period means people will run with it.  Also it seems He’s spent a lot of time not fully doing his job so people are on edge to see results.  

Nah, we are going to land players and people are going to spend from about May to November talking about how great all the dudes we have are and how deep we are and then we find out what the score really is starting in November.  Without even seeing our roster, my guess is borderline tournament team.  We will make the tournament and flame out in the first weekend and Mike Woodson will be praised for doing something with millions of dollars that Bob Knight did with Lynn Washington, Larry Richardson, and William Gladness as his big men....and yeah, yeah, unfair to compare Woodson to a hall of fame coach but that is kind of the point isn't it?

22-12 is your over/under.

Gladly eat crow if I am wrong.

48 minutes ago, Tom White said:

Yes, it is almost as disgusting as last Christmas when he took the day off to have dinner and open presents with his family. This behavior cannot be forgiven, I'm telling you.

Dumb

At least he is having a good time...

Go Tennessee.

1 hour ago, Seeking6 said:

Amazing that the greatest Purdue run ever is 3-3 vs IU with Woodson. 

 

Respectfully, this is the equivalent of them bringing up the all time record in 1992....

1 hour ago, ledies22 said:

smith, fletcher instantly pop in my head. idk about anyone else.

Both of them are pretty good players but I don't think either would be worth dropping a million on.

18 minutes ago, Rev_AK said:

True, and now we get to see if it would have worked out. Kinda of like an experiment or something. I admit I’ve been a little ambivalent about May myself, having been burned by Archie. I guess the broader point I was trying to make is that I think for those who aren’t True Fans, every win that May gets, or God forbid any recruits he gets from the State of Indiana, or any losses to Michigan, just ratchets up the pressure that much more on Woodson. In my opinion, however, this proves that May was there for the taking, and I think we were at a very logical place to make a coaching move. It’s clear we are all in on Woodson now.

All in on a 66 year old in his fourth year with zero recruits who needs to slap half to slightly more than half of his roster together in the portal with special extra money from 2 dumb@ss billionaires that support the school because he hasn't done half his job all year.

I mean it is possible to win the hand 4 suited and needing to pull an inside straight, but that generally isn't the hand you want to go all in on.  Yet here we are.

Everybody who was in on making this call shouldn't be afforded the opportunity to pick the next coach if he fails.  They should all follow him to unemployment.  All of them.

2 hours ago, NCHoosier32 said:

i am bummed about this because he seemed like the most likely candidate that could be here for a long time.  at the same time, we can't risk making the wrong decision again, so i would prefer a proven winner at a power 5.  so now what after next year?  Pearl?  still say Beard, but know we won't.  

Beard is never going to happen and I believe you are currently standing on shore and watching the SS Pearl pass you by.

I fully expect May to do well at Michigan because Indiana is once again a day late and a dollar short on doing what is probably inevitable anyway.  What are the odds we are sitting here 4 years from now saying, "If only we would have moved on from Woodson in year 3 when everyone realized he wasn't putting in the effort"?

Stuff like this just lowers my already poor opinion of everyone running IU. Maybe we can have Purdue go on a Final Four run and put an exclamation point on their ineptness.

19 minutes ago, Artesian_86 said:

Cal said is team is young and when he looked back on mistakes, it was freshmen.

Gotta love it when your approach to team and program building gives you that built in excuse every year....

19 minutes ago, Indykev said:

I hope you get to see a couple tomorrow.

Yep.  One of the 2 teams I like to see crash and burn down.  1 to go.

12 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

So I don't know how to take the numbers of these dudes from tiny conferences.  In that picture it looks like his team played Duke.  What did he put up in that game?

Peyton Sparks had really impressive numbers at Ball State and he got here and a bunch of people are happy to see him go.  The guys putting up numbers at sub 150 NET schools are all suspect to me.

I went and looked up the Duke game.  He scored 23 on 11-17 shooting but went 1-2 from 3 and had zero assists and 7 turnovers.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore/_/gameId/401574497

ETA:  It looks like they mostly ran a 4 guard offense.  So my assumption is that throughout the year he was getting quite a few points by going to the rim.  I don't know how easy that is going to be with a Woodson offense as he will be dribbling into the 3 to 4 guys that are guarding Reneau and the "rim protector" we are told we need.  So I would cut his ppg in half when evaluating him.

8 hours ago, SawatchHoosier said:

 

Playing for ASUN Conference Queens (North Carolina) University. Albury plays with Gallowayesque energy.

 

So I don't know how to take the numbers of these dudes from tiny conferences.  In that picture it looks like his team played Duke.  What did he put up in that game?

Peyton Sparks had really impressive numbers at Ball State and he got here and a bunch of people are happy to see him go.  The guys putting up numbers at sub 150 NET schools are all suspect to me.

10 hours ago, IUfaninIllinois said:

Low chance it’s IU but not sure who else it would be.

Take me home, country roads....

3 minutes ago, iuthruandthru said:

Look at Kentucky and their lack of success over the years churning the roster each year for the most part

And they likely will have had better players than we are going to be churning.

24 minutes ago, DC2345 said:

Purdue also has some interest so if Painter is interested so am I. Woodson will probably pass though

Yeah, like I said, I am probably not viewing this from a position of objectivity.

9 minutes ago, DC2345 said:

That’s him. They need more than just starters and he was a freshman this year. 

I know they need more than starters, half the team is going to be gone (if not more).  I saw the kid scores and had a big game in their conference tournament but this dude was an unranked HS senior who played for an absolutely terrible team in an equally meh conference who hasn't played 1 minute against a P5 team.  I guess I am just flabbergasted that this is considered the way to do things as opposed to going out and getting a HS kid.  This dude is 1 year removed from HS and....

Oh forget it.  This honestly isn't even about him.  If we were bringing him in as a backup on a team with a competent coaching staff I would probably like the upside.  I have to be honest with myself and just say I have lost all faith in Mike Woodson.  He could be bringing in Jordan and LeBron and I don't think they would help him and his staff get over the hump.

It is going to be a long year between now and March 2025.