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1 hour ago, IU Scott said:

Actually we started 12-16 from the line but only went 2-9 to end the game. Also those 2 3's were in the last two minutes if the game.

And one was a gift because Gunn's foot was on the line for the last 3.

Sorry guys.  I didn't send them enough good fan juju today.  Maybe next time I can cheer them to more made 3's and less missed free throws.  Where can I go to donate another $100 to the participation trophy and snack NIL?

2 minutes ago, Muddy River said:

Damn, Mac yelling “Thank You” to the crowd got me in the feels.

You know what is refreshing about the ladies in contrast to the men?  One program seems to have an unearned sense of entitlement about who/what they are and the other a sense of gratitude for recognition of what many of those young women have helped build themselves.

They weren't just going through the motions tonight.  Whomever is our answer on the men's side going into the future really needs to look at the way the culture has been built up under Moren.  I hope they find some NIL money to support her program.

1 minute ago, IUskim said:

Big ten women refs are so horrid. 

Yeah, some of these calls have been beyond awful.

Clark yapping at our bench.  Hopefully they shut her up.

7 minutes ago, DC2345 said:

He talks about several things but that's been the biggest thing. He also currently only has 1 player from IU that he views as being 100% gone as a transfer. 

Banks is the guy I figure is 100% gone.  We have sucked and I can't remember the last time he saw the floor.

36 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I got my generic response from the BOT

Dear Scott,

 

Thank you for taking the time to write to the IU trustees to express your concerns about the men’s basketball program. I am writing to acknowledge receipt of your email in the Office of the Board of Trustees, and to note that it has been forwarded for further review/consideration.

 

 

You forgot to stuff your complaint with at least a five figure donation.  They only care about money.

1 hour ago, Parakeet Jones said:

I brought this up a lot during the Archie era when this excuse got used, I saw a video once, I wish I could find it, where RMK destroyed the we just didn’t hit shots excuse. He said something along the lines of if your team is missing shots, find a way to get them better shots. 

Yeah, it is the system.  Posted the video from Mike's Knicks days in his retirement thread.  The reason we struggle is because of the decisions he has made.  I don't think our guards are as bad as they look.  I think they would look fine if they were placed in a system that matched their play or they were not being forced to play outside their positions.

I would love to see what this team would look like under a different coaching staff.

6 hours ago, madmax said:

Wandered around assembly hall after the game. Probably 45 minutes after the buzzer Ware was shooting free throws in Cook Hall.

I feel bad for the players.

We really going to do this another year?

Look familiar?  I am not expecting any changes that will matter.  Woodson is doing what he knows.

16 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Omg-- you can sit 21st row-- 2 tickets--- $50 total. 😳

.......And now we are burning up that last thing.

32 minutes ago, Hoosierdave said:

Hang the banner 

It has been said many times, but fan support is the only thing currently elite about IU.......

3 hours ago, btownqb said:

Sooooooooooo... blame the guys that teach the skills? 

I blame everyone.

For those thinking what we are going to have to pull off in the portal this offseason is likely to produce results....

2 hours ago, 13th&Jackson said:

I'm anticipating another busy carousel cycle with a litany of sitting head coaches having their names attached to high-major jobs. Some will parlay this into bigger contracts, but as another prominent coach told me last week, "I think there could be some names on the move this year that would shock you."

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/court-report-auburns-bruce-pearl-could-be-coaching-carousel-target-ken-pomeroy-should-be-in-hall-of-fame/

If you are a name coach that isn't in the Big Ten, SEC, and to a lesser extent Big 12 and ACC, you have to be slightly worried about the future of your conference.  Frankly, I would be a bit worried in the ACC as well.  You have FSU that wants out and the Big 10 and SEC would be more than happy to cut that league up.

6 minutes ago, btownqb said:

WOah woah--- if Dolson hit on Cignetti--- no. keep him. 

If next year doesn't work out, I would go scorched earth in the AD.  It won't happen but there would be a bunch of unemployed people with Mike.

As far as I am concerned, Dolson is just an extension of the group that    ------ this all up to begin with.  Cignetti hasn't won one game yet.  I like the hire but that isn't enough to save Dolson if I am in charge and this goes like I think it will.  He is gambling another few years of bad ball on next year.  I would increase the ante to his job along with it.

9 minutes ago, 13th&Jackson said:

I think once it's confirmed that he'll be back next year, which I fully expect, there will initially be a negative response. Then, I think it will trend more toward resignation and apathy. CMW will be on every Hot Seat list that gets published in the offseason. Year 4 will be viewed as a lame duck year. 

Then it will be a steady drip drip of some unexpected transfers (Malik?) and failure to fill needs in the portal. There will be hype over portal players they're contacting, but those players will end up signing elsewhere. 

IU will be a preseason pick for the bottom half of the B1G. Ticket sales will fall off as will attendance. Every game will be a referendum on the coach. After the first double-digit loss, the media will be openly hostile and the fans will either be in revolt or will have checked out. 

Hope I'm wrong. None of this is good for the program. However, this season was totally foreseeable last spring. They made mistakes with roster construction, so that was baked in the cake. But, what's worse is the lack of improvement in the team over the course of the season. 

They're just in a box where they look bad if they fire CMW, but are probably looking at a really bad year if he stays. Looking just as foreseeable, at this point, as this season. 

Could they turn things around the rest of this season and change the outlook for the offseason? Anything's possible. However, having eight days to prepare for an undermanned NW team that was coming off of travel and a short rest (with one previous B1G road win) and getting carved up, doesn't give confidence for the remaining games. 

From the IDS:

How, after being given eight days to regroup following a 20-point loss to rival Purdue, can the Hoosiers come out less energized than a Wildcats squad that played three days prior? 

Perhaps more pressing, how can it keep happening? 

Indiana has trailed by double digits in each of its past four games, and if it hadn’t sparked an improbable 18-point comeback against Ohio State on Feb. 6, it would be winless in February. 

Freshman forward Mackenzie Mgbako, who scored 19 points in the second half en route to a career-high 20, moved to the power forward spot as Indiana went for a small-ball lineup. 

An offensive outburst followed, and Woodson said the lineup is something to consider moving forward — but there are only six regular season games left. Indiana shouldn’t need to search for new personnel groupings in the middle of February. 

But in a season of have-not's and could’ve-been’s, Woodson’s pursuit of a new result feels far too little, far too late — and Indiana’s uncompetitive campaign appears to have as much life as the team showed for the first 35 minutes. 

Everyone will kind of hope they figure it out but expect them not to.  It will be a real "show me" season.  The problem that always crops up on those types of seasons is that at the first sign of trouble, everyone bails hard.

I am kind of resigned to the idea that he is going to be back next year.  So I guess I hope he draws an inside straight for next year.  That is our hope.  If he doesn't, our AD really screwed the pooch on keeping him around another year.  There are program building in state guys available in that 2025 class and it is going to be hard to land them.  Recruiting for 2025 will be an uphill struggle for a staff currently sitting on 1 2024 recruit.  The portal isn't how you build stability and Woodson has already put doubt onto his tenure length in the best of conditions, "I don't know if I will coach into my 70's..." (paraphrased).  He will be 66 next month.  If keeping him around goes bad you aren't looking at 13 to 14 months to see improvement you are talking several more years (at least 2) of portal diving.

I hope Scott gets fired with Mike if this is what we are going to do.  This was a stupid hire to begin with.

36 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said:

Supposedly Carl Cook is a big Woody fan.  I have no idea why but that's a huge roadblock if true.

Like a billion dollar roadblock 

1 hour ago, IowaHoosierFan said:

20-12 with an NCAA bid next year would get Coach Woodson another year or 2 from most, even people who currently want him fired.  It would feel like we were moving in the right direction and maybe we would be.  Even we have the same issues but win more games.

That would be firmly on the bubble going into this time of year.  People would be losing their minds like they are right now.

12 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

20-12 next year!?!?! We aren't going to be 20-12 THIS year and stand to be significantly worse next year. 

I think that is his ceiling next year and if the ceiling isn't going to he good enough then why do next year at all?

So this thread was pretty inactive yesterday which doesn't surprise me.  Another bad home loss doesn't really move the needle on this discussion because minds are made up.  To me that means Woodson's tenure at Indiana is over within about 14 months barring him pulling a rabbit out of a hat.  I don't think the fans are going to be happy with 20-12 and the NCAA bubble next year given how this has gone.  I also do not believe that Woodson will have the wherewithal to put together anything more than that next year with the roster and system overhaul he will have to implement between now and November.

As I was saying before this loss, I don't see the value to the program in giving this another year, fair or not.

4 minutes ago, rico said:

I think that ship has sailed.

He has a $17 million buyout.

We need to identify a guy who has the ability to do about 20 years and then we need to hunker down for the rebuild.  This program still has its fans, but from the perspective of its perception outside of the fanbase, out administration has burned it to the ground.

This is a complete rebuild.  You can get "good" out of the portal but that won't be how you build a program.  You need to recruit HS kids and you need some continuity.  The time to hire a Pearl was back when Archie was hired.

Hopefully they have a winner identified.  I don't know if that is may or one of the half a dozen names that get brought up regularly here, but this is going to be a rebuild.  We need someone that can articulate a plan and we need the AD to stop pumping things up like we are a Top 10 team every year.  We need to have some sort of identity.  The identity I would apply to Indiana Basketball right now is soft and entitled.  That won't do.

2 minutes ago, NCHoosier32 said:

it is crazy.  what gets me is how many losses even the teams ranked in the top 10 have these days.  i think most of us agree that that isn't the only issue with IU bball.  it's the product we see.  also teams like ISU, Auburn, etc didn't used to be mentioned in the same sentence as IU bball.  while they may be sputtering a little right now, they are tournament bound and we are not.  

The portal is turning all the programs into NBA G League teams.  Every year is a cobbled together squad where even the most talented teams will struggle from time to time because they don't have that actual growth together that teams had in the past.