Zuckerkorn

Certainly there's arguments to be made both ways AND it depends on the coaches evaluation of a given player.

This MMike player is described as being "still raw" and intent on going professional.  He likely is looking to play significant minutes.  Is he likely to provide more to the program in one season (if he plays well) than an existing bench player will in his remaining seasons?

Do you bring in a  less heralded guy with several years of eligibility left at the risk of not getting (more talented) recruits in the coming months?  Or take the chance of not doing so then not getting recruiting targets?

Recruiting over guys who the staff feels aren't likely to become significant contributors here is OK with me, but doing it just to bring in a marginally better player rubs me the wrong way.  It's a complex, fine line.

Bottom line is Woodson is still building his program, adapting to CBB and establishing a culture and that figures into things as well.

2 hours ago, rico said:

You just had to figure it was only a matter of time before the Feds got involved.

Why not?  There's no other important issues for them to work on...🤬

2 hours ago, Between2Halls said:

The more lefties the better. 

Hey, no politics! 🥸

21 hours ago, Drroogh said:

Biggest transfer loss for each BIG team

Overall the B10 really wasn't hurt very badly by xfers (IMO).

What'd this guy do? 😄

17 minutes ago, btownqb said:

It's hard to deny the timing... I get it, don't "read the tea leaves" whatever saying you throw in there. But simply using -----1000000000 recruitments whether it was basketball or football as examples... 

If you go on visit, then cancel the visit/visits afterwards.... that USUALLY means good things for the school they mostly recently visited. I get it, it could still be Kansas, but to deny the optics of IU being the last visit, again in regards to nearly every other recruitment.... we seem to be in a REALLY good spot here. 

That is 100% a guess and an opinion. 

11 hours ago, IUFLA said:

The Pacers 🙂 

I was a Boston Celtics fan as a kid, probably because they won every year... I remember sitting in the Martinsville Moose Lodge (better than Mackey Arena 😁) bar with my Dad and about 10 other men watching game 7 of the 66 finals... I was the only person rooting for the Celts...

When the Pacers came on the scene, I dropped the Celtics... This was our team... Loved the red, white, and blue ball (Marathon gas had them cheap if you bought like 10 gallons of gas... @ .29 a gallon... Those were the days)... Went to an early Pacers game at the old Fairgrounds arena... Smelled like dung, but the Pacers beat the Anaheim Amigos and I was hooked...

Loved them all through the ABA days, but the screwing they took to get into the NBA put them so far out of being competitive for years, I lost interest.

I followed the 1998 playoff run, and that screwing at the hands of the Bulls (and refs)...

Haven't been interested in the NBA, including the Pacers, for a while now...

Guess that's on me ☹️

Yeah, the "deal" to join the NBA was criminal.  Years later the NBA bent 180 degrees in the opposite direction for new franchises (Orlando, for example).  I will say that the deal the owners of the St. Louis team made has to be one of the smartest in history (something like 25% of the four former-ABA teams TV revenue per year forever).

The inexplicable officiating did nothing but reinforce my suspicion that the NBA is, shall we say "manipulated".  That, combined with the Pacers penchant for totally blowing their draft choices (often out of financial necessity) and foolish trades led to my current total disinterest in pro basketball.

BTW, my uncle ran a Marathon station and I got plenty of Pacer swag back then (including the lousy vinyl red/white/blue ball).

11 hours ago, 13th&Jackson said:

I grew up with the ABA Pacers. Those were fun teams and the ABA game was more entertaining than the NBA. The fairgrounds coliseum was always 110 degrees with a haze of cigarette smoke. 

But they did have the Marathon scoreboard at one end, with mini-skirted young ladies maually doing the updates.  We usually ended up at the opposite end near the crows nest (if you know, you know).  I remember my dad frequently using the binoculars to "check the score" lol.

For any fellow, old-fart Pacer fans, here's the first part of several of the 1973 playoffsagainst the Utah Stars:

It would have been McGinnis' second or third season - I still marvel watching him hit jumpers with that one-hand shot.

Frankly, I hope Woodson let him know how he would fit in and what he could do to prepare him for the NBA.  I also hope he made it clear that he would be an important part of the team but that there are 4 other players on the court - it's not purely an opportunity to "showcase" his talents for 1 season.

1 hour ago, Hoosierfan1901 said:

RJ Luis does not fill Louisville’s final spot, decides to go to SJU instead

That's gotta sting a little bit 😖.

13 minutes ago, btownqb said:

 

Turtles you say! 

He's glad "it's finally over".  Something no attention-hoowah like himself has ever believed.

I care only how or if it affects IU.  If it helps with getting MM, then Yay! Otherwise, Meh.

3 hours ago, MoyeCowbell said:

Yes, how could I have missed that?! Steelpecker could easily churn out 800 words on this.

As for the confusion, I really blame @Zuckerkorn for all this tomfu#@ery.

He alley'd and I had to oop.

Henceforth to be known as "Chunky Copperwhang" 🥸

18 hours ago, IowaHoosierFan said:

Here are some offensive stats i pulled based off of last years number (https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/team/1288/p2 )

3pt % - Ranked 46th (36.76)
3pt attempts 324th (5.7 a game)
Assists Per Game - 42nd
Avg Score - 102nd
Effective FG% - 51st
Bench Points per game - 201st (Not getting alot from the bench)
Scoring Defense - 135th
3pt Scoring Defense - 154th

....

 

 

I think those statistics accurately illustrate our strengths & weakness last season.  The 3-pt part especially so - on both sides of the ball.  I maintain that 3 point shooting was an issue we need to improve on.  A good percentage is of less importance when you shoot so few.  Add in that a huge chunk of the ones we did make were by players now no longer on the roster.  XJ should provide a boost in that area but I strongly feel we need a large infusion in that facet of the game.  Time will tell...

38 minutes ago, Seeking6 said:

Rutgers just lost one of their top power forward commits. Baye Ndongo is his name.

Shouldn't the second sentence be "Baye Ndongo is his name-o." 🥸

10 minutes ago, FKIM01 said:

I thought the same thing.  Based on what Calbert accomplished, that's a tall order but man...

...I'd take half of that and be happy.

Heck yeah!  I'd take second or maybe even third all-time scorer 🥳

Seriously, I'm unsure of how much he's "over" the injury.  Seemed like he came back and played then was held out of game(s).  Full participation this Summer seems essential to his success next season.

8 minutes ago, bluegrassIU said:

The big deal is this thread is designed for people that want to read if there is any news on the transfer front.

Having to scroll through 4 pages of 3 different conversations just to learn the answer is "no", is silly.

Again, some off topic will happen. But when it just goes and goes, it's time to go to a new thread and let this one be what it is meant to be 

It's also polite to keep a thread as the original poster intended.   

I thought that is what the portal update thread is for.

As frustrating as it might be, I'd wager that most threads are littered with unrelated comments. Heck, just look at the next thread down about J. Newton, lol.

Sorry, now we're OT discussing OT comments 😄

Please Lord, let him emulate Calbert's story.

3 minutes ago, Initial79 said:

Ok, if this was at me again I am sorry. Feel free to delete. I keep seeing post after post discussing why Ledlum etc was lost, spoiled kids, NIL, etc. I am just responding. 

I do think it is hard as these really do intertwine so much. People are having a hard time keeping each conversation separate. Maybe there should be a catch all thread instead of a NIL thread, transfer thread, facilities thread, transfers to IU connection thread, players we lost in portal thread, etc. it seems like this thread is where most want to discuss each nuance at once. 

Not to mention, what "players with IU interest" are there to discuss right now?

27 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

Because we zeroed in instead of a wide net on some guys with a bunch of options and struck out.

Win some, lose some.  I also think that the league we play in has a reputation that would make it unattractive for wings with a choice.  Fair or not, perception is reality.

I don't discount the B10 style of play impact at all, but it's not something we (basketball staff) can't change - like many things in life, you find a way to deal with it.

The "small net" theory was also mentioned on that podcast.  Also seems like a contributing factor.

21 minutes ago, BGleas said:

I honestly don't think the style of how wings will be used is that big of a deal or not having tape, etc. 

These guys, both coaches and players, are basketball savvy enough to understand the roster Woodson took over, etc. It's a pretty simple spin to, 'hey, I molded my system to my roster for the success of the team." I think a player would love that. 

I also think he can show tape of his NBA style, which would actually be a big win. 

All this to say, I don't think what the AC guys were saying on that point is really any issue at all. 

It was their theory, which seems plausible to me.

I know you've expressed your opinion that we need a couple of wings, and given your take in your response - why do you think we've yet to add players that address this area of need (thus far)?

I'm halfway through listening to the latest Assembly Call podcast and they've done a very good job of analyzing our portal performance and current roster needs.  No sugar-coating and no doom & gloom, just a measured take on where we sit at this time.

One point that was raised was interesting: regarding recruiting wing players, we can't really show them video or evidence of how they would be used - only a vision of how a new system or style of play is intended.  Additionally, competing coaches can point to this and use it against us.  It's kind of a chicken and the egg situation.  I'm paraphrasing heavily BTW.

9 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

Pissing Contest (Match):  a contest or rivalry in which the main concern of the parties involved is the conspicuous demonstration of superiority.

I believe Mark Twain is credited with saying "Never argue with a fool...onlookers may not be able to tell the difference".