Hoosierfan1901 Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 3 minutes ago, Indykev said: No buyout if Cal leaves is what i've read a dozen times in the last hour. $33 mill if UK fired him. Not saying thats right, just saying. It’s $0 on Coach Cal’s terms and conditions according to his contract 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 Just now, IowaHoosierFan said: I don't think UK doesn't go big big with this hire. They want to win tomorrow The question is, with the NIL and portal….is putting up with those psychotic hilljacks worth it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 3 minutes ago, Indykev said: No buyout if Cal leaves is what i've read a dozen times in the last hour. $33 mill if UK fired him. Not saying thats right, just saying. I’m sure there is language that says if he leaves for another job that he has to pay UK. If not then that’s a horrible contract. It’s pretty standard the buyout goes both ways. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 Just now, dgambill said: I’m sure there is language that says if he leaves for another job that he has to pay UK. If not then that’s a horrible contract. It’s pretty standard the buyout goes both ways. Not really. That’s UK’s way of saying “If you want to pay him, you can have him”. Even among the more sane folks in KY’s government, Cal’s contract ruffles more than a few feathers. He’s the highest paid state employee by a huge margin. Why ask for a buyout when you’re likely going to save money in the long run on your next coach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dgambill Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 2 minutes ago, Hoosierfan1901 said: It’s $0 on Coach Cal’s terms and conditions according to his contract Wow…what was Barnhart thinking…like 10 million a year and huge buyout to be rid of him but no protections for UK? Wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierfan1901 Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 Just now, dgambill said: Wow…what was Barnhart thinking…like 10 million a year and huge buyout to be rid of him but no protections for UK? Wow That’s what I got from reading UK fans analyzing his contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 Just now, Zlinedavid said: Not really. That’s UK’s way of saying “If you want to pay him, you can have him”. Even among the more sane folks in KY’s government, Cal’s contract ruffles more than a few feathers. He’s the highest paid state employee by a huge margin. Why ask for a buyout when you’re likely going to save money in the long run on your next coach? Because it’s protection from someone stealing him and gives you compensation to go after his replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 3 minutes ago, dgambill said: Wow…what was Barnhart thinking…like 10 million a year and huge buyout to be rid of him but no protections for UK? Wow He’s daring another school to take Cal off of his hands, and now he doesn’t bear the risk of firing him and watching him succeed somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 Just now, dgambill said: Because it’s protection from someone stealing him and gives you compensation to go after his replacement. Why do you need protection when you halfway want to get rid of him anyway? Rather than fire him and be on the hook for $30M, now you can go after another coach free and clear. Even if you have to pay $25M of another coach’s buyout, you’re still $5M ahead of where you were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 1 minute ago, Zlinedavid said: He’s dating another school to take Cal off of his hands, and now he doesn’t bear the risk of firing him and watching him succeed somewhere else. That was a truly awful contract that he drew up for Cal then. Should be fired for that alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 Just now, Zlinedavid said: Why do you need protection when you halfway want to get rid of him anyway? Rather than fire him and be on the hook for $30M, now you can go after another coach free and clear. Even if you have to pay $25M of another coach’s buyout, you’re still $5M ahead of where you were. Not when he got the contact they didn’t want to be rid of him. Why sign him at all if that was the case. It was one sided contract….thats malpractice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 1 minute ago, dgambill said: That was a truly awful contract that he drew up for Cal then. Should be fired for that alone. The horrible part was how much comp they had to pay him for termination without cause. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 I’m not sure we should be celebrating too soon. UK with a good coach will be dangerous. Cal and his charity program to get poor kids into the nba was the best thing for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiderMonkey Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 Uk and Sampson makes too much sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 1 minute ago, dgambill said: Not when he got the contact they didn’t want to be rid of him. Why sign him at all if that was the case. It was one sided contract….thats malpractice. He’s hedging his bets. Scenario 1: They don’t give him the extension, he leaves and succeeds somewhere else. Barnyard looks like an ass. Scenario 2: If he fires Cal, they pay the huge buyout, then hire a new coach after likely paying their buyout. If the new coach underperforms and/or Cal goes somewhere else, Barnyard really looks like an ass. Scenario 3, which is what happened: Someone else takes your problem off your hands. The new coach is likely to going to get less than what Cal was making initially, which means they’ll make up the difference in not having a buyout in a few years, especially since they’re not having to pay to fire Cal. He’s taking a slight loss to avoid the major loss of having to pay to buy Cal out, then pay another coach’s buyout. And I just noticed my phone autocorrected “Barnhart” to “Barnyard”, but I’m leaving it. It’s UK, so it kind of fits. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Indykev Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 17 minutes ago, Hoosierfan1901 said: Dead period. Can they do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Turtle Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 Even Arkansas can pull in bigger fish than Indiana. smh Kentucky will be ok. They have competent leadership that actually cares. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierfan1901 Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 1 minute ago, Indykev said: Dead period. Can they do that? In this day and age of this sport, it may not matter anymore 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierfan1901 Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 Just now, Sea Turtle said: Even Arkansas can pull in bigger fish than Indiana. smh Kentucky will be ok. They have competent leadership that actually cares. Semi-competent at least, UK fans want their AD fired immediately for various of reasons 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 I think they will have a hard time getting their guy. Not everyone wants the pressure cooker like UK or IU. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierfan1901 Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 4 minutes ago, Indykev said: I think they will have a hard time getting their guy. Not everyone wants the pressure cooker like UK or IU. Thomas Aaron Crean 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 4 minutes ago, Hoosierfan1901 said: Thomas Aaron Crean talk about pitch forks , uk fans would burn it down 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 55 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said: It’s rare for a coach to jump from one blue blood to another. Out of the historic powers, there’s only been one coach to coach at more than one: Larry Brown, UCLA and Kansas. Is that you Roy Williams? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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