IU Scott Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 Question for the people who follow analytics. Today on ESPN their analytics guy talking about the Bears OL. Fields has been sacked the most and been pressured the most but they tank the Bears OL as the 10th best pass blocking team. How the hell can that be if they lead the league in the two most important things when it comes to pass protection. Things like this is why I don't take analytics seriously and think they put things in their formula that doesn't matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 19 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Question for the people who follow analytics. Today on ESPN their analytics guy talking about the Bears OL. Fields has been sacked the most and been pressured the most but they tank the Bears OL as the 10th best pass blocking team. How the hell can that be if they lead the league in the two most important things when it comes to pass protection. Things like this is why I don't take analytics seriously and think they put things in their formula that doesn't matter. How much time, on average, is the OL giving Fields? It could be that the OL is doing their job but Fields isn't doing his. Hanging on to the ball too long etc. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 1 hour ago, rico said: How much time, on average, is the OL giving Fields? It could be that the OL is doing their job but Fields isn't doing his. Hanging on to the ball too long etc. They had Tom Waddle from 1000am in Chicago on today and he said that Fields is not getting much time to throw. He out some the blame on Fields but said the OL is terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 20 minutes ago, IU Scott said: They had Tom Waddle from 1000am in Chicago on today and he said that Fields is not getting much time to throw. He out some the blame on Fields but said the OL is terrible. Well Waddle should know. TBH, some of these stats they come up with these days are very speculative/questionable. But the Talking Heads sure grab ahold of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 They seemed like such a happy couple. Quite the shock. https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/04/entertainment/tom-brady-gisele-bndchen-divorce-attorneys/index.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 39 minutes ago, rico said: Well Waddle should know. TBH, some of these stats they come up with these days are very speculative/questionable. But the Talking Heads sure grab ahold of them. What goes into the stats are what these analytic people think is important but not necessarily what is really important. Take the Colts, JMV had a analytics guy on his show today. I didn't need a bunch of stats to show me that the Colts offense suck. All I need to know is that they are averaging 14 points a game which is last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, IU Scott said: What goes into the stats are what these analytic people think is important but not necessarily what is really important. Take the Colts, JMV had a analytics guy on his show today. I didn't need a bunch of stats to show me that the Colts offense suck. All I need to know is that they are averaging 14 points a game which is last. The 14 points are an indicator that the offense sucks, but the analytics help tell you WHY the offense sucks. You need to understand the WHY to fix the problem. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, 5fouls said: The 14 points are an indicator that the offense sucks, but the analytics help tell you WHY the offense sucks. You need to understand the WHY to fix the problem. So WHAT do the analytics show as to WHY Ryan fumbles so much? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 16 minutes ago, 5fouls said: The 14 points are an indicator that the offense sucks, but the analytics help tell you WHY the offense sucks. You need to understand the WHY to fix the problem. I just don't understand how you really can grade out a OL and give them stats. Without those stats I can tell you we can't move the ball or score well is OL play and turnovers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 24 minutes ago, IU Scott said: I just don't understand how you really can grade out a OL and give them stats. Without those stats I can tell you we can't move the ball or score well is OL play and turnovers They've graded OL for a long time. Well before pff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, rico said: So WHAT do the analytics show as to WHY Ryan fumbles so much? They tell me he has delicate hands. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 9 minutes ago, btownqb said: They've graded OL for a long time. Well before pff. Art Shell? Is that you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, 5fouls said: They tell me he has delicate hands. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, 5fouls said: They tell me he has delicate hands. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted October 5, 2022 Report Share Posted October 5, 2022 Maybe he wants to be a hand model once his playing days are done 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted October 5, 2022 Report Share Posted October 5, 2022 5 hours ago, IU Scott said: Question for the people who follow analytics. Today on ESPN their analytics guy talking about the Bears OL. Fields has been sacked the most and been pressured the most but they tank the Bears OL as the 10th best pass blocking team. How the hell can that be if they lead the league in the two most important things when it comes to pass protection. Things like this is why I don't take analytics seriously and think they put things in their formula that doesn't matter. Can't speak for my fellow Bears brethren but Mustipher sucked on Sunday. That reason and our obvious lack of talent on the outside can't let me judge Fields for another year. Hurts made the leap with talent. Tua made the leap with talent. Shoot Josh Allen had worse numbers than Fields in year 2 before the talent arrived. No objective fan can judge Fields yet. The NFL is so good at all positions. Unfair to criticize so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted October 5, 2022 Report Share Posted October 5, 2022 JT officially ruled out for Colts' game Thursday night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 5, 2022 Report Share Posted October 5, 2022 No Taylor No Leonard No Blackmon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted October 5, 2022 Report Share Posted October 5, 2022 1 minute ago, IU Scott said: No Taylor No Leonard No Blackmon That's gives us a few more built in excuses to justify the ineptness of this regime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 5, 2022 Report Share Posted October 5, 2022 13 minutes ago, Billingsley99 said: That's gives us a few more built in excuses to justify the ineptness of this regime. The problem is that the can point they are still contention for the worst division in football. I say it will have to turn really bad and be le 1-6-1 record and losing to Wentz at home for Irsay to grow a pair and fire them. I don't see Ballard being fired during the season but I can see Reich getting the ax. I say the next scapegoat will be the OL coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted October 5, 2022 Report Share Posted October 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, IU Scott said: The problem is that the can point they are still contention for the worst division in football. I say it will have to turn really bad and be le 1-6-1 record and losing to Wentz at home for Irsay to grow a pair and fire them. I don't see Ballard being fired during the season but I can see Reich getting the ax. I say the next scapegoat will be the OL coach. There are so boring, there is no fire no sense of urgency and just flat out boring to watch. Scoring 14 a game against the comp they have played is so sad. You know it's bad when the only other team you keep mentioned with in regards to stats are the Bears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 5, 2022 Report Share Posted October 5, 2022 12 minutes ago, Billingsley99 said: There are so boring, there is no fire no sense of urgency and just flat out boring to watch. Scoring 14 a game against the comp they have played is so sad. You know it's bad when the only other team you keep mentioned with in regards to stats are the Bears Offense is so predictable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted October 5, 2022 Report Share Posted October 5, 2022 1 hour ago, IU Scott said: No Taylor No Leonard No Blackmon No victory 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted October 5, 2022 Report Share Posted October 5, 2022 51 minutes ago, IU Scott said: The problem is that the can point they are still contention for the worst division in football. I say it will have to turn really bad and be le 1-6-1 record and losing to Wentz at home for Irsay to grow a pair and fire them. I don't see Ballard being fired during the season but I can see Reich getting the ax. I say the next scapegoat will be the OL coach. Matt Nagy is available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2022 1 minute ago, 5fouls said: Matt Nagy is available. So is Herm Edwards... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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