BGleas Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 2 hours ago, rico said: It still boggles my mind that Texas parted ways with Rick Barnes. Guess what Rick Barnes did his first two seasons at Tennessee? 15-19 (6-12) 16-16 (8-10) 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjeze106 Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 13 minutes ago, BGleas said: Guess what Rick Barnes did his first two seasons at Tennessee? 15-19 (6-12) 16-16 (8-10) 😀 Keep up the good fight. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 44 minutes ago, BGleas said: Guess what Rick Barnes did his first two seasons at Tennessee? 15-19 (6-12) 16-16 (8-10) 😀 So does that mean we are going 26-9 next year with a B1G title? And then in year 4, be ranked #1? How about Barnes first two seasons at Texas? How about Barnes first two seasons at Clemson? How about Barnes first two seasons at Providence? How about Barnes only season at George Mason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, rico said: So does that mean we are going 26-9 next year with a B1G title? And then in year 4, be ranked #1? How about Barnes first two seasons at Texas? How about Barnes first two seasons at Clemson? How about Barnes first two seasons at Providence? How about Barnes only season at George Mason? Ok, well: Providence: 35-23, solid though not great considering he took over for Pitino who had Providence in a good spot. First round both years Clemson: 33-24, decent, NIT first year, NCAA second Texas: 43-22, pretty solid made the NCAA each year Not too bad, though as with everything and all of these examples context matters. In Providence he took over a program who's coach left because he was doing so well, that's a lot different than taking over for a coach who got fired for poor results. I don't know the context in which he took over Clemson and Texas. We all know that Archie took over a program who's recruiting had fallen off, that made the NIT the year before, and lost the best three players on the roster. Let's also keep in mind that while we're all playing the 'doom and gloom' game right now, there's still a solid chance IU makes the NCAA Tournament in Archie's second year. As of today's updated NET Rankings, IU has 4 Qaud 1 wins and zero losses outside of Quad 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, BGleas said: Ok, well: Providence: 35-23, solid though not great considering he took over for Pitino who had Providence in a good spot. First round both years Clemson: 33-24, decent, NIT first year, NCAA second Texas: 43-22, pretty solid made the NCAA each year Not too bad, though as with everything and all of these examples context matters. In Providence he took over a program who's coach left because he was doing so well, that's a lot different than taking over for a coach who got fired for poor results. I don't know the context in which he took over Clemson and Texas. We all know that Archie took over a program who's recruiting had fallen off, that made the NIT the year before, and lost the best three players on the roster. Let's also keep in mind that while we're all playing the 'doom and gloom' game right now, there's still a solid chance IU makes the NCAA Tournament in Archie's second year. As of today's updated NET Rankings, IU has 4 Qaud 1 wins and zero losses outside of Quad 1. Didn't need to them, was already aware of Rick's success. I follow Tennessee closely. Context? K takes over a program that had huge success before he got there but yet everybody talks about his first 3 years. Now you use the Pitino at Providence thing for Barnes' success there? But I agree, the season is not over for the Hoosiers and I love Archie. Doesn't mean I can't be critical of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 24 minutes ago, rico said: Didn't need to them, was already aware of Rick's success. I follow Tennessee closely. Context? K takes over a program that had huge success before he got there but yet everybody talks about his first 3 years. Now you use the Pitino at Providence thing for Barnes' success there? But I agree, the season is not over for the Hoosiers and I love Archie. Doesn't mean I can't be critical of him. I guess you shouldn't have asked if you already knew. I never said a thing about not being critical of Archie. My recent post in the NW thread was an exchange with Billingsley on things that could be done better offensively. Yes, context. It matters quite a bit when having discussions. Taking over a team that is coming off a Final Four appearance is very different than taking over a team that lost in the first round of the NIT and the coach was being criticized for poor recruiting. I was actually saying Barnes should have done better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 54 minutes ago, BGleas said: I guess you shouldn't have asked if you already knew. I never said a thing about not being critical of Archie. My recent post in the NW thread was an exchange with Billingsley on things that could be done better offensively. Yes, context. It matters quite a bit when having discussions. Taking over a team that is coming off a Final Four appearance is very different than taking over a team that lost in the first round of the NIT and the coach was being criticized for poor recruiting. I was actually saying Barnes should have done better. I asked to make you look it up. Barnes is a great coach, but you pick his first two years at Rocky Top to try to make your point. Leaving every thing else he had done/accomplished out. It fit your argument, whereas George Mason, Providence, Clemson, and Texas fit mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 46 minutes ago, rico said: I asked to make you look it up. Barnes is a great coach, but you pick his first two years at Rocky Top to try to make your point. Leaving every thing else he had done/accomplished out. It fit your argument, whereas George Mason, Providence, Clemson, and Texas fit mine. Next time just post the point you're trying to make. I didn't post only his Tennessee years because it fit my argument, it's all I looked up at the time. I don't know that the others fit your argument, I'd say it's a mixed bag. Do you know how many years it took Barnes to have a 20 win season at Providence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierJax Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 After all his problems at Arizona Archies brother was still able to pull in 2 McDonald's all Americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 Damn. I was going to ask Gleas to research something for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, HoosierJax said: After all his problems at Arizona Archies brother was still able to pull in 2 McDonald's all Americans. Regardless of anything else, the Miller boys sure know how to recruit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 27 minutes ago, BGleas said: Next time just post the point you're trying to make. I didn't post only his Tennessee years because it fit my argument, it's all I looked up at the time. I don't know that the others fit your argument, I'd say it's a mixed bag. Do you know how many years it took Barnes to have a 20 win season at Providence? Do you know the mess that Barnes took over in Tennessee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlboiler23 Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, FW_Hoosier said: Regardless of anything else, the Miller boys sure know how to recruit. $ean Miller is a great recruiter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, Stlboiler23 said: $ean Miller is a great recruiter. Yep. You got that right. Arizona Board of Regents discuss Arizona Wildcats basketball program Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWIUFan Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 32 minutes ago, milehiiu said: Yep. You got that right. Arizona Board of Regents discuss Arizona Wildcats basketball program Great recruiter but I think U of A needs to get extended auto warranties for their players vehicles. I just don't want to see our recruits having the same trouble with their broken down sports cars.😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 minute ago, FWIUFan said: Great recruiter but I think U of A needs to get extended auto warranties for their players vehicles. I just don't want to see our recruits having the same trouble with their broken down sports cars.😀 I thought that happened at Kansas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWIUFan Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 minute ago, IU Scott said: I thought that happened at Kansas You sir are correct. My bad Scott! Maybe the car broke down after he got back from U of A. Just needed some cash. LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StLHoosier Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 5 hours ago, rico said: Didn't need to them, was already aware of Rick's success. I follow Tennessee closely. Context? K takes over a program that had huge success before he got there but yet everybody talks about his first 3 years. Now you use the Pitino at Providence thing for Barnes' success there? But I agree, the season is not over for the Hoosiers and I love Archie. Doesn't mean I can't be critical of him. Yes Rico, context means everything. I’m not sure what you’re point is about K, and I’m pretty sure you just made everyone’s point. Duke did have huge success before K, but when he took over he didn’t start off well at all comparatively. One thing that I think about when you bring up other coaches who did have decent success starting off, is how their style of play compared to the previous head coach. If the previous coach ran a similar style, you’re more apt to hit the ground running. In the case of our current situation, I don’t think you could have two diametrically opposed styles than what we played under Crean to what we play now (except maybe a zone defense). That transition, plus the current roster (injuries, square pegs/round holes, lack of shooters, chemistry issues?) is a recipe for disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, StLHoosier said: Yes Rico, context means everything. I’m not sure what you’re point is about K, and I’m pretty sure you just made everyone’s point. Duke did have huge success before K, but when he took over he didn’t start off well at all comparatively. One thing that I think about when you bring up other coaches who did have decent success starting off, is how their style of play compared to the previous head coach. If the previous coach ran a similar style, you’re more apt to hit the ground running. In the case of our current situation, I don’t think you could have two diametrically opposed styles than what we played under Crean to what we play now (except maybe a zone defense). That transition, plus the current roster (injuries, square pegs/round holes, lack of shooters, chemistry issues?) is a recipe for disaster. Sooo Bob Knight comes to IU and picked right up where the former coach left off? He implemented a totally different system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StLHoosier Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, rico said: Sooo Bob Knight comes to IU and picked right up where the former coach left off? He implemented a totally different system. No I didn’t say that. There’s examples for each argument, but I’d venture to guess that more coaches struggle than don’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 Just now, StLHoosier said: No I didn’t say that. There’s examples for each argument, but I’d venture to guess that more coaches struggle than don’t. Venturing to guess? Knight came in and bam. Davis took over for Knight and bam. Sampson took over for Davis and bam. Barnes is on his 5th school now, and every one is bam. I get it....Archie needs time. I understand. But I am just stating that a helluva lot of coaches have went to a new gig and had success within 2 years. No more...no less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 I look at the score and Sparty was down 8 to Iowa. Did some work and now up 14? Nice little 22 point swing in about 14 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 You know. Over time people tend to forget or overlook things..... like this.... Baylor Basketball Commits “Major Violations” of NCAA Rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 Sparty wins. Louisville up 1 over NC State at the half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, rico said: Sparty wins. Louisville up 1 over NC State at the half. Mack was a great get for UofL...his team this year is exceeding expectations. That was a big win for us against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.