Coronavirus

[Inequality]

I own 4 businesses and some rentals. I can sellout and draw off the government worst case scenario. Also my kid will K12 online should this be mandated to children. Seems that’s direction that may be wanted by authority anyway

[Lostin76]

53 minutes ago, dgambill said:

Life was like that down here in Florida….the whole time. Results have been no better and no worse…especially once people got vaccinated and the antibody treatments became widely available. Sure there were some minor inconvenience of wearing masks in a few places but most didn’t require it.  Like you said most of that is all behind us. I think the issues most face is the mandates on their jobs. My wife’s work did. The forcing of small children to wear masks and the possible future mandates on child vaccinations for a group of individuals who are at almost statistically zero risk from this virus. That is what is upsetting so many. Adults fears being taken out on their children.

I do wish the mandates weren’t a thing, but here we are. And job loss has been very minimal here, mostly b/c of high vaccination rates already. I still have my one employee who is not vaccinated, but she is still fully employed. I’ve spent a lot of time helping her navigate this, even though I don’t agree with her rotating list of excuses.

But, the exemptions are there and I’m helping her as long as they are. 

It’s funny, the kids I know don’t seem to fuss over the masks like some adults do. Also we have two schools on the block next to ours, and they are always outside on the playground running, shouting and playing with masks on. One of these schools is also the one that had the first teacher die of COVID in NYS. They have recently unveiled four colorful benches painted by the students in her memory. Very sad to see. 

[Reacher]

1 hour ago, Lostin76 said:

I do wish the mandates weren’t a thing, but here we are. And job loss has been very minimal here, mostly b/c of high vaccination rates already. I still have my one employee who is not vaccinated, but she is still fully employed. I’ve spent a lot of time helping her navigate this, even though I don’t agree with her rotating list of excuses.

But, the exemptions are there and I’m helping her as long as they are. 

It’s funny, the kids I know don’t seem to fuss over the masks like some adults do. Also we have two schools on the block next to ours, and they are always outside on the playground running, shouting and playing with masks on. One of these schools is also the one that had the first teacher die of COVID in NYS. They have recently unveiled four colorful benches painted by the students in her memory. Very sad to see. 

It is sad to hear / see children running around with masks on. They should be breathing fresh air not the germs from unsanitary masks. We know masks aren't effective and we know children are the absolute lowest risk group. More children will / have died from the flu than Covid. Where are the long term studies showing constant mask wearing does not result in respiratory or other issues? I'd hope you would be ok with a parent who wants more evidence before masking / vaccinating their child. Unfortunately, there are way too many that are not ok with parents having a choice in this matter. Parents are expressing themselves at the ballot box as we saw on Tues. 

[Lostin76]

2 hours ago, Reacher said:

It is sad to hear / see children running around with masks on. They should be breathing fresh air not the germs from unsanitary masks. We know masks aren't effective and we know children are the absolute lowest risk group. More children will / have died from the flu than Covid. Where are the long term studies showing constant mask wearing does not result in respiratory or other issues? I'd hope you would be ok with a parent who wants more evidence before masking / vaccinating their child. Unfortunately, there are way too many that are not ok with parents having a choice in this matter. Parents are expressing themselves at the ballot box as we saw on Tues. 

I don’t have any say in what parents do for their kids. It’s not my business. But the kids I know are just not that fussed about it, and their parents agree that wearing a mask is their best protection if kids can’t get vaccinated. Maybe NYC kids, and probably NYC people in general, are just more adaptable than most and more able to deal with adversity. Another thing I always consider with kids and masks is what about kids like Ayden who have issues. Does some random healthy kid’s freedom to not wear a mask trump @Billingsley99 right to keep his kid protected in school? I don’t know the answer there, but protecting kids and teachers with compromised immune systems has to count for something somewhere.

And when you say things like “We know masks aren’t effective…” it really makes it hard to take you seriously. I know you have your Breitbart doctors and the ones hoping to make a name for themselves as contrarians, but real doctors and researchers all agree that masks help and  that yes they are effective. 

I’m guessing that there are no long term studies on mask wearing resulting in respiratory issues b/c it’s ridiculous. Nurses, doctors, dentists, hygienists, lab workers, etc. have all been wearing much thicker, more restrictive masks for long work shifts for decades with no long term issues. 

 

[Billingsley99]

5 minutes ago, Lostin76 said:

I don’t have any say in what parents do for their kids. It’s not my business. But the kids I know are just not that fussed about it, and their parents agree that wearing a mask is their best protection if kids can’t get vaccinated. Maybe NYC kids, and probably NYC people in general, are just more adaptable than most and more able to deal with adversity. Another thing I always consider with kids and masks is what about kids like Ayden who have issues. Does some random healthy kid’s freedom to not wear a mask trump @Billingsley99 right to keep his kid protected in school? I don’t know the answer there, but protecting kids and teachers with compromised immune systems has to count for something somewhere.

And when you say things like “We know masks aren’t effective…” it really makes it hard to take you seriously. I know you have your Breitbart doctors and the ones hoping to make a name for themselves as contrarians, but real doctors and researchers all agree that masks help and  that yes they are effective. 

I’m guessing that there are no long term studies on mask wearing resulting in respiratory issues b/c it’s ridiculous. Nurses, doctors, dentists, hygienists, lab workers, etc. have all been wearing much thicker, more restrictive masks for long work shifts for decades with no long term issues. 

 

Excellent points and my wife got rid of her social media and I thought was ready to catch an assault charge when a lady in our community asked why her kid has to suffer wearing a mask. If kids with health issues don't like it they should not be on school anyway. I just told her what motto with so.much of this is. Your can't argue with stupidity.  When you get in an argument with an idiot they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. 

I really hate that some poor healthy kids have to wear a mask. I welcome any of them and their parents come any day between Oct and April when Ayden has his NEBULIZER  Mask on and a CF machine that stakes him to help keep him from getting pneumonia.  But I understand their concerns poor kids 

[Lostin76]

4 minutes ago, Billingsley99 said:

Excellent points and my wife got rid of her social media and I thought was ready to catch an assault charge when a lady in our community asked why her kid has to suffer wearing a mask. If kids with health issues don't like it they should not be on school anyway. I just told her what motto with so.much of this is. Your can't argue with stupidity.  When you get in an argument with an idiot they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. 

I really hate that some poor healthy kids have to wear a mask. I welcome any of them and their parents come any day between Oct and April when Ayden has his NEBULIZER  Mask on and a CF machine that stakes him to help keep him from getting pneumonia.  But I understand their concerns poor kids 

I truly don’t know how you navigate it. And I think social media is making people dumber and definitely angrier! 

[Billingsley99]

Just now, Lostin76 said:

I truly don’t know how you navigate it. And I think social media is making people dumber and definitely angrier! 

Honestly we put all our faith in God and in his Dr's. We have family members that tell us we are terrible for getting him the vaccine.  We just do what we feel is right and don't push or pressure anyone to do anything they are not comfortable with.he sees a dozen specialist and not one even hesitated when we asked if he should get the vaccine. God and his Dr's have done pretty good so far and he is blessed to have an amazing MOM

[mrflynn03]

7 hours ago, Lostin76 said:

I think the number of people (vaccinated or not) that get COVID and transmit it w/o knowing is probably significant. 

I guess I’m not really understanding anymore when people talk about “this bullshit” that has to end.

Life has pretty much returned to a new normal. Around here, no one is scared to go out anymore. Street life, and restaurants and bars are bumping. Wearing a mask into a store isn’t a problem. Kids are in school. Life is going on. Halloween was bumping for both kids and adults. When I walk down the block, every restaurant and coffee shop is humming with full tables and people enjoying themselves. 

If people want to fixate on the negatives of having to wear a mask indoors to shop or vaccine mandates, then knock yourself out. The rest of us are returning to our new normal. 

You know I like you man, and hate to see you saying things like “sick of this stupid world.” 

There’s always been a LOT that makes me angry, like a lot. But honestly the last two years have taught me to be thankful b/c we don’t know what the next year may bring. 

And the IU season starts in less than a week! Maybe we can kiss this thread goodbye then.

 

When I say that I guess what I mean is I'm just tired of hearing about it everywhere every day.  Can't even turn on the radio without hearing about it.  Just get frustrated after awhile.

I can only tune out so much of it. 

Yeah, some IU Basketball will be good for us fans. Just trying to bottle my optimism. Been burned enough. 

Edited November 4, 2021 by mrflynn03

[Lostin76]

39 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said:

When I say that I guess what I mean is I'm just tired of hearing about it everywhere every day.  Can't even turn on the radio without hearing about it.  Just get frustrated after awhile.

I can only tune out so much of it. 

Yeah, some IU Basketball will be good for us fans. Just trying to bottle my optimism. Been burned enough. 

Oh yeah, I get that. I am so sick of the bickering in the media. I’ve just started tuning it out. 

[Reacher]

1 hour ago, Lostin76 said:

I don’t have any say in what parents do for their kids. It’s not my business. But the kids I know are just not that fussed about it, and their parents agree that wearing a mask is their best protection if kids can’t get vaccinated. Maybe NYC kids, and probably NYC people in general, are just more adaptable than most and more able to deal with adversity. Another thing I always consider with kids and masks is what about kids like Ayden who have issues. Does some random healthy kid’s freedom to not wear a mask trump @Billingsley99 right to keep his kid protected in school? I don’t know the answer there, but protecting kids and teachers with compromised immune systems has to count for something somewhere.

And when you say things like “We know masks aren’t effective…” it really makes it hard to take you seriously. I know you have your Breitbart doctors and the ones hoping to make a name for themselves as contrarians, but real doctors and researchers all agree that masks help and  that yes they are effective. 

I’m guessing that there are no long term studies on mask wearing resulting in respiratory issues b/c it’s ridiculous. Nurses, doctors, dentists, hygienists, lab workers, etc. have all been wearing much thicker, more restrictive masks for long work shifts for decades with no long term issues. 

 

Kids are flexible and can adapt to almost anything. I don't think NY kids are more adaptable than others and  I would say an Alaska child might deal even better with adversity. Because you don't see them fuss does not make it ok. Some parents (maybe a larger % in NY) may be ok with their child wearing a mask. Parents should have that right- to have their kids wear or not.

A child is protected by their vaccine and /or their own mask (according to you). I don't think it is fair or right for all the other kids to be penalized to protect a few. Before covid, did everyone wear a mask to keep the vulnerable from catching the flu? If one child in a school has peanut allergies, is the rest of the school prevented from eating pb&J at lunch? There are ways to protect the vulnerable without restricting freedoms. It is not all or nothing.

I stand by all the research saying N95 masks or better are needed to protect from a virus AND that is only when worn correctly. Virus particles flow right through the average mask. There is a reason why medical professionals use N95 or level 3 or better masks and even are required to have fit tests. Show me one elementary school where more than 10% of the kids wear a new N95 mask each day, have it properly fitted, not touched throughout the day, etc etc. 

It is ludicrous to compare children to adults. Take the time to scroll through this and the dozen of links for studies showing the harm in mask wearing as well as how they are ineffective in preventing transmission. https://www.aier.org/article/masking-children-tragic-unscientific-and-damaging/

The author of this article has a bachelor’s degree in epidemiology from McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, a master’s degree from Oxford University, and a PhD from McMaster University’s Department of Health Research Methods, Evidence, and Impact  and says "masking children is as absurd, illogical, nonsensical, and potentially dangerous as trying to stop ‘every case of Covid’ or ‘stopping Covid at all costs.’ Masks are not needed for children based on near zero risk in children. The risk of dying from Covid-19 is “almost zero” for young people. The issue of masks in children is really a risk management question for parents and any decision-maker. The science is settled."

A child on a playground will be breathing heavily and need the maximum flow of oxygen. An adult sitting on their chair or stool is not in the same universe for a comparison.

Edited November 4, 2021 by Reacher

[hoosier_exotics]

Not surprising 

 

[dgambill]

45 minutes ago, hoosier_exotics said:

Not surprising 

 

Well I’d say 90% of her followers just do so to repost her horrible takes….its so funny though that all these stars complain about the hate and negativity on their social media but all they have to do is block/delete the followers….but that would then hurt their # of followers and their ability to get advertising gigs etc because they say they have so many million followers and how popular they are. Clearly they aren’t too hurt over it as they benefit from the negativity too much.

Edited November 6, 2021 by dgambill

[hoosier_exotics]

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-science-business-health-medication-eeea3c6a5f6428479e35bc1bcd7aec52

Hopefully this proves very safe and is put in to mass production.  In my opinion,  this will get things back to normal.  

[Lostin76]

12 minutes ago, hoosier_exotics said:

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-science-business-health-medication-eeea3c6a5f6428479e35bc1bcd7aec52

Hopefully this proves very safe and is put in to mass production.  In my opinion,  this will get things back to normal.  

That’s pretty impressive numbers. Would be a huge development. 

[hoosier_exotics]

Just now, Lostin76 said:

That’s pretty impressive numbers. Would be a huge development. 

If those numbers are correct, then I don't see the need for mass restrictions.  Load up on the pills, take the shot if you wish, build natural immune systems while having the pills to keep you from getting severely sick.  

[dgambill]

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635
 

Don’t get me wrong…very thankful for these vaccines that have saved lives…but can’t help but be disturbed at the actions to cover up problems during trials and how the American press seems like to be want to bury this stuff. Sad we have to go to the British to get this info. 

Same research company was hired to do the testing for children and pregnant women by Pfizer.

Edited November 7, 2021 by dgambill

[Hoosier51]

3 minutes ago, dgambill said:

But can’t help but be disturbed at the actions to cover up problems during trials and how the American press seems like to be want to bury this stuff

 The press has no credibilty anymore. They push their own interests not the publics.

[Reacher]

In addition to the Pfizer pill, looks like we will soon have another option. A single dose of Regeneron could reduce risk by 81.6% during the pre-specified follow-up period (months 2-8), maintaining the 81.4% risk reduction previously reported during the first month of follow-up.

[hoosier_exotics]

[dgambill]

1 hour ago, hoosier_exotics said:

Not sure it belongs in this thread....but not a bad deal....on top of that they offer you a free vacation flight to Florida as well!

[hoosier_exotics]

1 hour ago, dgambill said:

Not sure it belongs in this thread....but not a bad deal....on top of that they offer you a free vacation flight to Florida as well!

Definitely wrong thread!  Sorry 😂😂

[Reacher]

The vaccine argument may be moot in a few months as new treatments emerge-

https://www.healthgrades.com/right-care/coronavirus/oral-drugs-being-studied-for-covid-19-treatment?cid=63emHLN110821COVID

 

[hoosier_exotics]

1 minute ago, Reacher said:

The vaccine argument may be moot in a few months as new treatments emerge-

https://www.healthgrades.com/right-care/coronavirus/oral-drugs-being-studied-for-covid-19-treatment?cid=63emHLN110821COVID

 

Yes, if these work as billed, Then there is no reason we can't resume life as normal.  Or atleast close to it

[mrflynn03]

1 hour ago, hoosier_exotics said:

Yes, if these work as billed, Then there is no reason we can't resume life as normal.  Or atleast close to it

I'm afraid we are never getting back to "normal".  This pandemic has morphed into something nefarious.  And when/if it's over another one will happen shortly. 

Edited November 10, 2021 by mrflynn03

[HoosierFaithful]

8 hours ago, Reacher said:

The vaccine argument may be moot in a few months as new treatments emerge-

https://www.healthgrades.com/right-care/coronavirus/oral-drugs-being-studied-for-covid-19-treatment?cid=63emHLN110821COVID

 

Tremendous news.  Science wins again - in awe, honestly, of what has been done and how quickly.