Inequality Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 On 2/10/2024 at 11:03 AM, IUFLA said: And yet, he was able to do in his first year what his predecessors, both long time college coaches, hadn't done in the last 6 by making the tournament, and his second year was able to beat Purdue twice, something those experienced college coaches hadn't done in their last 9 attempts, guide us to our highest Big 10 finish since 2016, and secure our highest NCAA tournament seed since 2011-12... Those are the facts... People are entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts... Trace Jackson Davis spanked Purdue. Jalen along side was icing on the cake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kdug Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 4 minutes ago, Threedom said: The whole discussion about the fan base being the problem for IU just drives me crazy.  It hasnt  missed a shot or made a turnover ever.  I think the fan base is the one thing that has been good the last 20 years.  Without it, we are DePaul right now. The fan base excuse has always been ridiculous. Plenty of other big ten teams like Maryland under Turgeon, Purdue with Painter, Illinois with Underwood, Wisconsin with Ryan and Gard, even Iowa with Fran are able to make the tourney on a year to year basis. There’s no reason IU shouldn’t be able to do the same. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kdug Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 6 minutes ago, HoosierDom said: I was responding to a comment that said our guys didn't. Player development under Woody has been at least solid. Probably good. Bigs have developed, but guard development has been bad imo. Gunn and Banks have shown little improvement. XJ has got worse each year, though injuries probably played a part there. Bates improved a little his sophomore year, but he really blew up after leaving IU. Galloway and Kopp are really the only two guards or wings who I’d say meaningfully improved the last 3 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierDom Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 Just now, Kdug said: Bigs have developed, but guard development has been bad imo. Gunn and Banks have shown little improvement. XJ has got worse each year, though injuries probably played a part there. Bates improved a little his sophomore year, but he really blew up after leaving IU. Galloway and Kopp are really the only two guards or wings who I’d say meaningfully improved the last 3 years. Banks definitely has not, I agree. I don't see how you can say the same about Gunn. He's still not a power 5 player, but he looks like a guy who will get there. Even by your accounting, though, that strikes me as pretty average improvement. Especially considering JHS improved a lot - and I would say Galloway improved even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 22 minutes ago, HoosierDom said: I was responding to a comment that said our guys didn't. Player development under Woody has been at least solid. Probably good. yeah. i guess i am not ready to give him that much credit. have most improved at least some? i think so. i hope so. am i saying he has had absolutely no part in that? of course not. still not convinced he did much for JHS. X's injury did more for JHS than anything. TJD got better every year, but never developed any range. he was about what i would have expected his final season. Galloway has gotten more minutes and a bigger leash the last two seasons. Reneau looked like he could have pretty much done what he is doing last year if he had the same minutes and no TJD in front of him.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kdug Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 Just now, HoosierDom said: Banks definitely has not, I agree. I don't see how you can say the same about Gunn. He's still not a power 5 player, but he looks like a guy who will get there. Even by your accounting, though, that strikes me as pretty average improvement. Especially considering JHS improved a lot - and I would say Galloway improved even more. Idk, Gunn is still borderline unplayable most of the time. I guess he’s better, but to me going from unplayable to borderline unplayable doesn’t count as developing a player. I also don’t agree that JHS improved a lot, he was just really good from the get go. To me I look at development as substantially improving enough to change a players role. I.e. benchwarmer to rotation player, rotation player to starter, starter to all big ten, etc. From a guard perspective, only Galloway fits that mold imo. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 The last thing I expected with Woodson was our weakness being guard positions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 I still believe the school gives Woodson 1 more year if he wants it. I could see retirement as a possibility however but he’s keeping that to himself if it’s a possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 Trilly also said he believes Woodson could choose retirement rather than dealing with the backlash. Big money boosters could also start applying pressure because of May possibly deciding to take another big job this offseason. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 @IU ScottPlease email the comment section of this tweet to the AD asap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 3 minutes ago, DC2345 said: Trilly also said he believes Woodson could choose retirement rather than dealing with the backlash. Big money boosters could also start applying pressure because of May possibly deciding to take another big job this offseason. so...i'd reluctantly take May over Woodson next year, but seems like we'd be running the risk of another Archie Miller. i get that Beard and Pearl don't seem to fit the squeaky clean preference of our admin, but i'm holding out hope i guess. if not one of them, is there no realistic candidate that has been a proven winner for a power 5 program? pretty important that the next hire is the right guy. back to the other topic - does it seem very likely that if we end 16-16 that Woodson will be frustrated enough and hearing enough from the fans that he'd really consider retiring? you're getting my hopes up. i'm assuming he'll give it one more year and it will be miserable and then he'll be done? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephul Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 5 minutes ago, DC2345 said: Trilly also said he believes Woodson could choose retirement rather than dealing with the backlash. Big money boosters could also start applying pressure because of May possibly deciding to take another big job this offseason. Yeah, I could definitely see this being a scenario. Retire and save face. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 1 minute ago, NCHoosier32 said: so...i'd reluctantly take May over Woodson next year, but seems like we'd be running the risk of another Archie Miller. i get that Beard and Pearl don't seem to fit the squeaky clean preference of our admin, but i'm holding out hope i guess. if not one of them, is there no realistic candidate that has been a proven winner for a power 5 program? pretty important that the next hire is the right guy. back to the other topic - does it seem very likely that if we end 16-16 that Woodson will be frustrated enough and hearing enough from the fans that he'd really consider retiring? you're getting my hopes up. i'm assuming he'll give it one more year and it will be miserable and then he'll be done? There’s major differences between May and Archie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephul Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 1 minute ago, NCHoosier32 said: so...i'd reluctantly take May over Woodson next year, but seems like we'd be running the risk of another Archie Miller. i get that Beard and Pearl don't seem to fit the squeaky clean preference of our admin, but i'm holding out hope i guess. if not one of them, is there no realistic candidate that has been a proven winner for a power 5 program? pretty important that the next hire is the right guy. back to the other topic - does it seem very likely that if we end 16-16 that Woodson will be frustrated enough and hearing enough from the fans that he'd really consider retiring? you're getting my hopes up. i'm assuming he'll give it one more year and it will be miserable and then he'll be done? I do know that one major donor that previously fit the "squeaky clean" preference has become extremely frustrated over the past decade and is willing to look past a few things now 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BGleas Posted February 11 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 11 Dusty May should be the coach we settle with after top choices say no, not the top target, and I don't mean that negatively towards May. If a move is made, we should be starting with guys like Beard, Oates and Pearl. And yes, I realize guys don't leave their jobs as much as they used too. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inequality Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 5 minutes ago, DC2345 said: There’s major differences between May and Archie As would be expected, May is already in the discussion for a couple spots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawatchHoosier Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 Â 1 minute ago, Inequality said: As would be expected, May is already in the discussion for a couple spots Which schools? I would imagine Louisville? I read West Virginia on Twitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 8 minutes ago, DC2345 said: There’s major differences between May and Archie what makes it a safer hire? i mean that sincerely because if i'm being honest, i was pretty excited about Archie. i don't really see why we would have known he wouldn't work out. i like the idea of May as well. i'm just asking you and others to make me feel better if he is the successor. what's the difference going in?  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 1 minute ago, SawatchHoosier said:  Which schools? I would imagine Louisville? I read West Virginia on Twitter. OSU is a possibility too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 Just now, NCHoosier32 said: what makes it a safer hire? i mean that sincerely because if i'm being honest, i was pretty excited about Archie. i don't really see why we would have known he wouldn't work out. i like the idea of May as well. i'm just asking you and others to make me feel better if he is the successor. what's the difference going in?  For starters the situations that the two are coming from. Everyone wins at Dayton. FAU is a significantly harder situation historically. Also his X’s and O’s are much better than Archie’s. May has also been mentioned by some as the next possible face of college coaches. Archie was never mentioned at that level by anyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephul Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 My #1A and B would be Pearl and Beard 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 22 minutes ago, Indykev said: @IU ScottPlease email the comment section of this tweet to the AD asap. Not on Twitter or X so I can see the replies 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inequality Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 9 minutes ago, DC2345 said: OSU is a possibility too That’s the rumor that I hate the most. May to OSU and Holtman to Vandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 5 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Not on Twitter or X so I can see the replies they are gold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 10 minutes ago, ephul said: My #1A and B would be Pearl and Beard Yeah good luck with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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