TheWatShot Posted February 13, 2022 Report Share Posted February 13, 2022 13 minutes ago, southsidehoosier said: Well I’ll take solace knowing no team has a had a AdjDef that high and came close to sniffing a championship Got bored this afternoon and decided to research the last 10 conference winners and where they ranked on defense. 2012: OSU, MSU and Michigan; 4, 2 and 56. 2013: IU; 19 2014: Michigan; 89 2015: Wisconsin; 35 2016: IU; 59 2017: Purdue; 23 2018: MSU; 10 2019: Purdue, MSU; 34, 9 2020: Wisconsin, MSU, Maryland; 17, 13, 22 2021: Michigan; 4 (if you think winning % screwed Illinois here, the Illini were 7) The obvious outlier was 2014 Michigan at 89. Our 2016 team was the next worst at 59, and we were a rare case of a team actually getting better on that end of the court because of one player's absence. So these numbers would suggest Purdue probably needs to go up about 30 spots if they want to win the Big Ten. Or maybe they just keep out-scoring everyone all the way into March. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 13, 2022 Report Share Posted February 13, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Purdue7 said: Thank you was trying to think of the legendary HS mix up….terre haute Garfield or Garstmeyer? Gerstmeyer...my Dad knew the Andrews boys... My cousin played on the Garfield team that went to the state final 4 in 1963... Edited February 13, 2022 by IUFLA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 13, 2022 Report Share Posted February 13, 2022 First pic: after the Fatts Russell free throws...note the clock... Second pic: After the clock issue...again, note the time... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 13, 2022 Report Share Posted February 13, 2022 13 minutes ago, IUFLA said: First pic: after the Fatts Russell free throws...note the clock... Second pic: After the clock issue...again, note the time... I dont think anyone disputed that once you guys called it out. Doesn’t mean that wasn’t wrong, too. What happened that caused the clock to move? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted February 13, 2022 Report Share Posted February 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: I dont think anyone disputed that once you guys called it out. Doesn’t mean that wasn’t wrong, too. What happened that caused the clock to move? The low hanging fruit is the Purdue clock guy was trying to get this show on the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 13, 2022 Report Share Posted February 13, 2022 Just now, NotIThatLives said: The low hanging fruit is the Purdue clock guy was trying to get this show on the road. I don’t disagree with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 13, 2022 Report Share Posted February 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: I dont think anyone disputed that once you guys called it out. Doesn’t mean that wasn’t wrong, too. What happened that caused the clock to move? I presented the pics purely as evidence that there was a change in time... The key sequence was the first inbounds and that wasn't on the highlights I accessed...but if I recall correctly, Purdue had inbounded the ball and the clock went from 8.1 to 6.7 when the officials blew their whistles. Apparently they corrected it to 7.8... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 13, 2022 Report Share Posted February 13, 2022 Just now, IUFLA said: I presented the pics purely as evidence that there was a change in time... The key sequence was the first inbounds and that wasn't on the highlights I accessed...but if I recall correctly, Purdue had inbounded the ball and the clock went from 8.1 to 6.7 when the officials blew their whistles. Apparently they corrected it to 7.8... Yes I understand all that, don’t dispute it in the least. But what did they call that allowed for the clock to move and no free throws for Purdue? There’s nothing I can think of, which means the refs just screwed it up. If they did actually call something and it was more than a clock error then the rest of the call was probably right. I just think that seems really unlikely and there is no such call displayed in the games play by play online. The most likely scenario here is Big Ten referees screwed up, per usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 13, 2022 Report Share Posted February 13, 2022 Fine incoming, but I love it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 13, 2022 Report Share Posted February 13, 2022 Official explanation of why the clock moved and why it was a spot throw in: For me personally I have no problem saying that was terrible officiating. But to each their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdue7 Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 30 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: Fine incoming, but I love it. The elbow? in those pictures only person making or forcing contact is 24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, Purdue7 said: The elbow? in those pictures only person making or forcing contact is 24 That looks like a pretty clear foul on Williams to me. He’s not vertical, his arms are coming down. That should be an automatic call from the refs. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWatShot Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 14 minutes ago, Purdue7 said: The elbow? in those pictures only person making or forcing contact is 24 His arms are at almost a 45 degree angle. That's a foul if the refs aren't too scared to call it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 39 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: Official explanation of why the clock moved and why it was a spot throw in: For me personally I have no problem saying that was terrible officiating. But to each their own. So I guess the nuance is not the running of the baseline, but passing the ball to an out of bounds teammate... Sounds to me like they got it right... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 Just now, IUFLA said: So I guess the nuance is not the running of the baseline, but passing the ball to an out of bounds teammate... Sounds to me like they got it right... How did you get that from what that explanation was? The nuance is they couldn’t do either of those things because the clock moved. The clock moved because it inadvertently started and the refs determined they caught it too late and had to take .3 off, therefore making it a dead ball out of bounds I disagree with the refs determining they should take .3 off and make it a dead ball out of bounds. You on the other hand are okay with a home team clock operator making an error and taking time off the clock with the home team winning. I’d hate to see IU lose a game because a clock operator took time off the clock erroneously. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlboiler23 Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 12 minutes ago, TheWatShot said: His arms are at almost a 45 degree angle. That's a foul if the refs aren't too scared to call it. Was a good no-call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWatShot Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Stlboiler23 said: Was a good no-call. Because...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, Stlboiler23 said: Was a good no-call. Not from those pictures. If you bring you arms down, it’s a foul. I understand you’re accustomed to getting away with fouls watching Purdue play defense, but that was a pretty easy call by the book. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlboiler23 Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, TheWatShot said: Because...? Because the MD guy led with his elbow to initiate contact. Their guy’s elbow hit Trevion in the chest before Tre even made contact with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlboiler23 Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 (edited) Just now, KoB2011 said: Not from those pictures. If you bring you arms down, it’s a foul. I understand you’re accustomed to getting away with fouls watching Purdue play defense, but that was a pretty easy call by the book. Their guy initiated the contact with his elbow. Edited February 14, 2022 by Stlboiler23 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlboiler23 Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 They called a foul on Edey on this lol. Yikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWatShot Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, Stlboiler23 said: They called a foul on Edey on this lol. Yikes False equivalency. A bad call from a different game shouldn't excuse a no-call in this one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlboiler23 Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, TheWatShot said: False equivalency. A bad call from a different game shouldn't excuse a no-call in this one. I already said why it was a good non-call lol. Their guy led with his elbow which was the initial contact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, Stlboiler23 said: I already said why it was a good non-call lol. Their guy led with his elbow which was the initial contact. That doesn’t make it a good no call. If he created space with his elbow it’s an offensive foul, if his elbow just happened to be the first thing to make contact as he was going up, it’s still a foul on Williams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsidehoosier Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 19 minutes ago, Stlboiler23 said: They called a foul on Edey on this lol. Yikes I agree “yikes” when your avatar is a “beat IU” logo. Living rent free. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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