MoyeCowbell Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 12 hours ago, Steubenhoosier said: Can’t remember the last player from the Chicago area that played for IU. My point is that now folks are wanting to get in on kids like Essegian that we probably could have had, had we paid attention. Meanwhile, we have an Indy kid from the same class who barely saw the floor this year If we're being fair here, it's important to acknowledge a couple of things. One, Gunn and Essegian are different players servicing different roles for their respective teams. Two, Gunn was not coming in with a realistic expectation to unseat an incumbent starter in XJ, and was not projected higher than JHS. I did not follow Essegian's recruitment, but I'm not sure if he came to IU his role, minutes and production would've been the exact same. And that's because Three, Wisconsin was an inferior team to IU this season. Our overall talent level and play was better. Essegian stood out on his squad because they weren't as talented as before. 12 hours ago, Steubenhoosier said: Yes, I know. How about in the last 25 years? The post was that we are prioritizing certain areas. If Chicago is one of them, maybe it’s time to reevaluate. I knew someone would cherry pick one of the cities I listed and try and make a counterpoint. If you don't feel Chicago is good enough, ok. I disagree and still feel a big metropolitan city (the third largest in the country just under 4 hours away from Bloomington by car) is a better focal point for recruiting basketball talent than Northern Indiana. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 18 minutes ago, MoyeCowbell said: If we're being fair here, it's important to acknowledge a couple of things. One, Gunn and Essegian are different players servicing different roles for their respective teams. Two, Gunn was not coming in with a realistic expectation to unseat an incumbent starter in XJ, and was not projected higher than JHS. I did not follow Essegian's recruitment, but I'm not sure if he came to IU his role, minutes and production would've been the exact same. And that's because Three, Wisconsin was an inferior team to IU this season. Our overall talent level and play was better. Essegian stood out on his squad because they weren't as talented as before. I knew someone would cherry pick one of the cities I listed and try and make a counterpoint. If you don't feel Chicago is good enough, ok. I disagree and still feel a big metropolitan city (the third largest in the country just under 4 hours away from Bloomington by car) is a better focal point for recruiting basketball talent than Northern Indiana. I'm not trying to cherry pick, just saying that if recruiting is going to prioritize different places, then the results should show. Frankly, from the cities you mentioned, there has been nothing from Chicago, and Vic but nothing else from the DC area. New York has provided some players-Devonte, Vonleh and Bryant, although those all go back to the Crean era. Atlanta, or Georgia in general has been the biggest provider. Probably Essegian wouldn't have had a similar role this year at IU. My point was that we have been clamoring for shooters, in the recent past, this season, and from the portal, and there are kids that fit that role right here in our home state that don't get looked at. Loyer was another, and as @IUJoementioned, Goode as well. My point as well, is that IU has not put much effort in creating a presence in NE Indiana and haven't attempted to turn around the recruiting dynamics leading to kids going elsewhere. Maybe the metropolitan areas are where the resources should be directed, but kids that could help or could have helped IU are not even considered....until they do well elsewhere, and then all of a sudden they should be targets of the portal process. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoyeCowbell Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 42 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: I'm not trying to cherry pick, just saying that if recruiting is going to prioritize different places, then the results should show. Frankly, from the cities you mentioned, there has been nothing from Chicago, and Vic but nothing else from the DC area. New York has provided some players-Devonte, Vonleh and Bryant, although those all go back to the Crean era. Atlanta, or Georgia in general has been the biggest provider. Probably Essegian wouldn't have had a similar role this year at IU. My point was that we have been clamoring for shooters, in the recent past, this season, and from the portal, and there are kids that fit that role right here in our home state that don't get looked at. Loyer was another, and as @IUJoementioned, Goode as well. My point as well, is that IU has not put much effort in creating a presence in NE Indiana and haven't attempted to turn around the recruiting dynamics leading to kids going elsewhere. Maybe the metropolitan areas are where the resources should be directed, but kids that could help or could have helped IU are not even considered....until they do well elsewhere, and then all of a sudden they should be targets of the portal process. I'm not sure what a fair timeline is, but in the last 25 years, here's who I remember pulling from Northern Indiana off the top of my head - Derek Elston, Damezi Anderson, James Blackmon Jr., James Hardy, Rob Phinisee, Trey Galloway, Austin Etherington, Hanner Perea. And there were quite a few players who we recruited that we simply didn't get. Given that, I do feel IU has given a look at the area and acted when appropriate. There will always be misses and head-scratching oversights. My original point was that a staff can't be everywhere at once, and given the concentration of talent in some of the bigger markets, it's a better use of resources to focus attention and energy there. To be fair to both of our arguments, different staffs have different philosophies and connections, so it's not fair to condemn one over the sins of another. Also, me throwing out a collection of basketball hotbeds doesn't equate to what the current staff is keying on, as their parameters might be completely different. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, MoyeCowbell said: I'm not sure what a fair timeline is, but in the last 25 years, here's who I remember pulling from Northern Indiana off the top of my head - Derek Elston, Damezi Anderson, James Blackmon Jr., James Hardy, Rob Phinisee, Trey Galloway, Austin Etherington, Hanner Perea. And there were quite a few players who we recruited that we simply didn't get. Given that, I do feel IU has given a look at the area and acted when appropriate. There will always be misses and head-scratching oversights. My original point was that a staff can't be everywhere at once, and given the concentration of talent in some of the bigger markets, it's a better use of resources to focus attention and energy there. To be fair to both of our arguments, different staffs have different philosophies and connections, so it's not fair to condemn one over the sins of another. Also, me throwing out a collection of basketball hotbeds doesn't equate to what the current staff is keying on, as their parameters might be completely different. Of the players you mentioned, only Hardy was from NE Indiana, which is the area I have focused my discussion on. Etherington was from Hamilton Heights, just north of Indy. Perea was a La Lumiere kid from Columbia. Similar to JHS who I wouldn't consider a Florida kid because he played at Montverde. Phinisee, Blackmon and Elston are really from Central Indiana. Galloway and Anderson are more Northwest Indiana kids. I understand that resources get spread thin, and staffs can't be everywhere. The whole point I am making is that they haven't given NE Indiana a look....the second largest metropolitan area in the state. Edited March 22, 2023 by Steubenhoosier 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 Guys y'all are selling this program short don't forget that we pulled Grant Gelon out of Crown Point Indiana the region baby. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DC2345 Posted March 23, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) I think my dream roster for next year would look like this G: XJ, Cupps, Galloway Wings: Galloway, Leal, Gunn, Timberlake, Newton, Transfer, Transfer F/C: Reneau, Banks, Ike, Ledlum I'll probably change my mind on this 20 more times between now and when things actually start happening lol Edited March 23, 2023 by DC2345 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 28 minutes ago, DC2345 said: I think my dream roster for next year would look like this G: XJ, Cupps, Galloway Wings: Galloway, Leal, Gunn, Timberlake, Newton, Transfer, Transfer F/C: Reneau, Banks, Ike, Ledlum I'll probably change my mind on this 20 more times between now and when things actually start happening lol Hoping the staff expects Cupps to be a 10-15mpg guy from.the get go? I don't see a need for another PG. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cbp4IU Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 29 minutes ago, DC2345 said: I think my dream roster for next year would look like this G: XJ, Cupps, Galloway Wings: Galloway, Leal, Gunn, Timberlake, Newton, Transfer, Transfer F/C: Reneau, Banks, Ike, Ledlum I'll probably change my mind on this 20 more times between now and when things actually start happening lol Borderline top 25 team without the 2 other transfers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 25 minutes ago, DC2345 said: I think my dream roster for next year would look like this G: XJ, Cupps, Galloway Wings: Galloway, Leal, Gunn, Timberlake, Newton, Transfer, Transfer F/C: Reneau, Banks, Ike, Ledlum I'll probably change my mind on this 20 more times between now and when things actually start happening lol I'm not going to get excited about transfers at this point in the game, but man did I like the clips of Timberlake. Quick release. Can catch and shoot off screens (and off-balance). Has the ability to drive. Can create his own shot. Can get to the line and shoots it at 85% from the stripe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 11 minutes ago, btownqb said: Hoping the staff expects Cupps to be a 10-15mpg guy from.the get go? I don't see a need for another PG. Loaded Chicken Sandwich disagrees. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, rico said: Loaded Chicken Sandwich disagrees. He struggles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUProfessor Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 2 hours ago, btownqb said: Hoping the staff expects Cupps to be a 10-15mpg guy from.the get go? I don't see a need for another PG. I don't think he'll need to give us 10-15 on most nights, just 8-10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 Just now, IUProfessor said: I don't think he'll need to give us 10-15 on most nights, just 8-10. In the conference, sure. First 10-12 games? He'll avg more than, I'd hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted March 23, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 3 hours ago, rico said: Loaded Chicken Sandwich disagrees. He struggles to know what he's even talking about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 Duncomb in the portal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Indykev said: Duncomb in the portal. And Nathan Childress 😁 Edited March 23, 2023 by IUFLA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierfan1901 Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 Should be expecting more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Hoosierfan1901 said: Should be expecting more Lets see what happens about every 5 mins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaHoosierFan Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 So i assume we won't hear from JHS until after the NBA combine where he gets feedback. Still assume he is going to jump to the NBA but you never know 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 Wish Logan well. Between health and some other stuff maybe just the best to say it didn't work and good luck moving forward. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaHoosierFan Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 From Draft Room.com concerning Jalen Jalen Hood Schifino – PG – Indiana – One of the breakout stars of the season, JHS is a first round lock who could slide into the late lottery. Not sure he should leave if he is late lottery. Just my opinion. I think with NIL he should shoot for to 10 if possible by playing next year. And i am not at all being selfish and wanting him back 😉😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 Good luck Duncomb, thought he show fladhes when he got time. I bet he ends up at Xavier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 19 minutes ago, IowaHoosierFan said: From Draft Room.com concerning Jalen Jalen Hood Schifino – PG – Indiana – One of the breakout stars of the season, JHS is a first round lock who could slide into the late lottery. Not sure he should leave if he is late lottery. Just my opinion. I think with NIL he should shoot for to 10 if possible by playing next year. And i am not at all being selfish and wanting him back 😉😉 JHS won't be back. Falling into the forgotten Hoosier category for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustinchops Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 Geronimo will be next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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