Drroogh Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 Just now, BGleas said: Nope, it's been my pretty consistent stance. I can agree with that also!🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Drroogh said: I can agree with that also!🙂 So, you’re Sweden 😛😛🤣😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drroogh Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Steubenhoosier said: So, you’re Sweden 😛😛🤣😂 Uff Da! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted December 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 Going to steer the thread in a different direction. He's not shooting well, struggling keeping players in front of him, but the most concerning thing for me about Cupps is that he's not setting up buckets for other guys. His 'Assist %' is only ahead of Sparks and Gunn. Yes, he's just a freshman, but the best way a freshman PG can make an impact is creating for your teammates. The analytics indicate that he's not doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 15 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Going to steer the thread in a different direction. He's not shooting well, struggling keeping players in front of him, but the most concerning thing for me about Cupps is that he's not setting up buckets for other guys. His 'Assist %' is only ahead of Sparks and Gunn. Yes, he's just a freshman, but the best way a freshman PG can make an impact is creating for your teammates. The analytics indicate that he's not doing that. So, would you rather have Cupps or the freshman Braden Smith? Cupps doesn’t have an Edey to feed to. He also has been a defensive instigator. Gotta look at the whole picture and not just what the metrics want to show you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 My last thing about stats and how they can be used any way you want them to read. Last year the analytic guy on the Greeny show kept arguing about how good the o line of the Beats were. Everybody was telling him how bad they were but the ESPN analytics said they were a top 10 OL. The guys who covered the Bears told him they were the worst OL in football. The thing is that at that time the Bears OL had given up the most sacks and pressures in the league. So my question is what is going into the formula to grade the OL. To me sacks and pressures would be at the top of the things to look at. So how did the Bears OL grade out so well even though they were last in those categories. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted December 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: So, would you rather have Cupps or the freshman Braden Smith? Cupps doesn’t have an Edey to feed to. He also has been a defensive instigator. Gotta look at the whole picture and not just what the metrics want to show you Braden Smith will have a better college career than Gabe Cupps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drroogh Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Braden Smith will have a better college career than Gabe Cupps. Does The Big Maple have another year or two to cover for Braden? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Braden Smith will have a better college career than Gabe Cupps. And if he does, that might be more due to the talent he plays with rather than the individual ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted December 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Drroogh said: Does The Big Maple have another year or two to cover for Braden? My eyes tell me that Braden is a better natural scorer than Cupps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drroogh Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, 5fouls said: My eyes tell me that Braden is a better natural scorer than Cupps. The prom queen gets selected by the eyeball test, no wonder you have so many Ex’s! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawatchHoosier Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 Here's some more fun numbers. Indiana is blocking shots at the 46th best rate in D1 basketball. This is happening even though Indiana's defense is giving up 43rd highest rate of 3 point attempts. Maybe someone can explain to me why we are constantly over helping when we have excellent shot blockers down low. Wouldn't it be better to let teams shoot mid range jumpers instead of over helping and allowing wide open threes? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, 5fouls said: My eyes tell me that Braden is a better natural scorer than Cupps. No doubt, the two freshmen seasons aren't close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, IU Scott said: No doubt, the two freshmen seasons aren't close Put into perspective who each player is playing with. Cupps doesn’t have the benefit of playing with the NPOTY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawatchHoosier Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 25 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: So, would you rather have Cupps or the freshman Braden Smith? I'd prefer Freshman Cupps because Freshman Smith lost in the first round of NCAA tournament to a 16 seed. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Robby Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 Ever read this board intoxicated? 😂 some of you need a hug! Or I should go to bed… 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 Just now, SawatchHoosier said: I'd prefer Freshman Cupps because Freshman Smith lost in the first round of NCAA tournament to a 16 seed. According to most on here and the stats we aren't even going to make the tournament Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted December 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 Just now, SawatchHoosier said: I'd prefer Freshman Cupps because Freshman Smith lost in the first round of NCAA tournament to a 16 seed. Regardless of that, I predict Braden Smith will have a better college career than Gabe Cupps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawatchHoosier Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 Just now, 5fouls said: Regardless of that, I predict Braden Smith will have a better college career than Gabe Cupps. He at this point does look much better. Smith has an excellent offensive rating and assist percentage but it will be interesting to see if those numbers continue to stay high after Edey leaves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted December 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 It's okay to admit that a player on another team is better than a player on our team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 I got a Biology degree instead of Chemistry because I didn't want to do advanced Calculus which is what analytics looks like to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 49 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: So, would you rather have Cupps or the freshman Braden Smith? Cupps doesn’t have an Edey to feed to. He also has been a defensive instigator. Gotta look at the whole picture and not just what the metrics want to show you I think 1.5 years into Braden Smith and .5 years into GC it is an incredibly easy choice to say Smith, and outside of a minority of IU fans that would be a universal opinion. That isn’t a statement on what will happen moving forward, but Smith looked better halfway through his freshman year than Cupps has and nothing that’s happened since then would change that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 48 minutes ago, IU Scott said: My last thing about stats and how they can be used any way you want them to read. Last year the analytic guy on the Greeny show kept arguing about how good the o line of the Beats were. Everybody was telling him how bad they were but the ESPN analytics said they were a top 10 OL. The guys who covered the Bears told him they were the worst OL in football. The thing is that at that time the Bears OL had given up the most sacks and pressures in the league. So my question is what is going into the formula to grade the OL. To me sacks and pressures would be at the top of the things to look at. So how did the Bears OL grade out so well even though they were last in those categories. You’re comparing PFF GRADES to analytics that measure what has actually happened? You can argue how some of the analytics weight for competition, or if you think we aren’t worried about analytics and are playing a deep rotation, but they aren’t just grades they’re actual things that have happened. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 13 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: I think 1.5 years into Braden Smith and .5 years into GC it is an incredibly easy choice to say Smith, and outside of a minority of IU fans that would be a universal opinion. That isn’t a statement on what will happen moving forward, but Smith looked better halfway through his freshman year than Cupps has and nothing that’s happened since then would change that. Again, consider who each guy is playing with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted December 31, 2023 Report Share Posted December 31, 2023 Just now, Steubenhoosier said: Again, consider who each guy is playing with I am considering it, it still isn’t close. Is Ware better than Edey because Edey is in a better situation too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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