IU Scott Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 Just now, Seeking6 said: I don't like the length of games and wish there were limitations on how many pitchers could be used. With that said. I see no difference in using any and all pitchers/strategy to win a game....the very same way I don't have a problem with a coaches in basketball using timeouts, substitutions, fouls,etc....to win a game in the final minutes. I don't mind the length of the game but it is the pace of the game. I just like watching great starting pitching going deep into games. I liked it when the managers would let their pitchers battle through trouble instead of taking them out in the first sign of trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, IU Scott said: I don't mind the length of the game but it is the pace of the game. I just like watching great starting pitching going deep into games. I liked it when the managers would let their pitchers battle through trouble instead of taking them out in the first sign of trouble. Trust me I get it. Maddon has the impossible task of trying to figure out a few on his staff (starting and relief) because when it goes....it goes very quickly and the game can be over. It's a tough call to let guys pitch out of problems or give up a quick 3-4 runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 While we are at it I wish they would get rid of the shift on defense as well. I think this eliminates a lot of the great defensive plays we use to see by middle infielders like Ozzie Smith use to make. With the Shift we probably would not have seen all the great defense from Book Robinson did at 3rd base. I think the shift has caused a change on how players hit as well because now they think they have to hit the homerun to get on because a lot of the line drives are being caught by infielders that are actually playing in the outfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 Just now, Seeking6 said: Trust me I get it. Maddon has the impossible task of trying to figure out a few on his staff (starting and relief) because when it goes....it goes very quickly and the game can be over. It's a tough call to let guys pitch out of problems or give up a quick 3-4 runs. I think that is because the pitchers today are not trained to go deep in the game and when they reach a certain pitch count they just lose it. I think it is in their head as well because all you here about is that you don't want your pitchers to go through the lineup for a 3rd time. We they start the 3rd time in the lineup I think it is in their head that it will be trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, IU Scott said: I think that is because the pitchers today are not trained to go deep in the game and when they reach a certain pitch count they just lose it. I think it is in their head as well because all you here about is that you don't want your pitchers to go through the lineup for a 3rd time. We they start the 3rd time in the lineup I think it is in their head that it will be trouble. More because they noticed that higher pitch counts resulted in more "dead arms" as they called it back in the day. Some of these guys are a $20 million a year investment. I don't know about anyone else, but if I have a $20 million investment in anything, I'm stocking up on pitbulls and bubble-wrap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted July 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 We can talk about lots of things that are wrong with the game now as opposed to the 70's and 80's. It ain't just a baseball thing but I think free agency has affected MLB more than the NFL or the NBA. But that is JMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, IUFLA said: More because they noticed that higher pitch counts resulted in more "dead arms" as they called it back in the day. Some of these guys are a $20 million a year investment. I don't know about anyone else, but if I have a $20 million investment in anything, I'm stocking up on pitbulls and bubble-wrap. The time I remember it really irritated me was when the Nationals shut down Strasberg in the playoffs. They said it is keep him from injuries and for the future but when you have a chance at a championship you go for it. Even shutting him down did not prevent him from an arm injury so was it worth it to shut him down. To me there seems to be way more ar injuries than there use to be as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted July 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, IU Scott said: The time I remember it really irritated me was when the Nationals shut down Strasberg in the playoffs. They said it is keep him from injuries and for the future but when you have a chance at a championship you go for it. Even shutting him down did not prevent him from an arm injury so was it worth it to shut him down. To me there seems to be way more ar injuries than there use to be as well. Yeah, that made no sense to me either. Good thing I ain't a Nats fan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, rico said: We can talk about lots of things that are wrong with the game now as opposed to the 70's and 80's. It ain't just a baseball thing but I think free agency has affected MLB more than the NFL or the NBA. But that is JMO. Follow the money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 23 minutes ago, rico said: We can talk about lots of things that are wrong with the game now as opposed to the 70's and 80's. It ain't just a baseball thing but I think free agency has affected MLB more than the NFL or the NBA. But that is JMO. Thank you Kurt Flood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, rico said: Yeah, that made no sense to me either. Good thing I ain't a Nats fan! I agree that free agency has changed sports but I don't have a problem with it but the problem in baseball is the huge discrepancy in how much money each teams makes. I know there are some small market teams that can do well but to me in baseball I think the market really makes a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, IU Scott said: I agree that free agency has changed sports but I don't have a problem with it but the problem in baseball is the huge discrepancy in how much money each teams makes. I know there are some small market teams that can do well but to me in baseball I think the market really makes a difference. Of course it does, and until MLB negotiates real revenue sharing it'll remain that way. Think a team situated in friggin Green Bay Wisconsin could actually compete with the New Yorks and LAs of the NFL if they didn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted July 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 13 minutes ago, Billingsley99 said: Thank you Kurt Flood So now you are "Billipedia?" LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted July 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Of course it does, and until MLB negotiates real revenue sharing it'll remain that way. Think a team situated in friggin Green Bay Wisconsin could actually compete with the New Yorks and LAs of the NFL if they didn't? Real revenue sharing and hard salary caps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, Billingsley99 said: Thank you Kurt Flood And Marvin Miller. Every player that gets big money today should know who to thank... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 Saw where the Indians Shane Beiber got his second complete game of the year yesterday and they said that leads the league. I just wanted to look back to see when the amount of complete games started to dwindle. Since 2000 there has only been one time a person had double digit complete games in a year. I started at 2018 and went down every ten years to see how many complete games it took to lead MLB. 18- 2 08- 9 98- 15 88- 15 78- 23 68- 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 Just saw this stat about the Reds and it is hard to explain Day games 13-30 worst in the MLB Night games 33-24 3rd best in NL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted July 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Just saw this stat about the Reds and it is hard to explain Day games 13-30 worst in the MLB Night games 33-24 3rd best in NL Dang that is hard to explain. I wonder what the list of SPs is that have started day games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted July 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 Alex Wood is scheduled for his Reds debut on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 29 minutes ago, rico said: Alex Wood is scheduled for his Reds debut on Sunday. Sounds good but 4 months to late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted July 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Sounds good but 4 months to late Perhaps...but just maybe what the doctor ordered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 2 hours ago, rico said: Alex Wood is scheduled for his Reds debut on Sunday. One start and then he goes at the trade deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted July 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 31 minutes ago, 5fouls said: One start and then he goes at the trade deadline. You really think so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, rico said: You really think so? If he goes 5 innings and gives up less than 3 runs. Yes, I think he goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted July 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 Just now, 5fouls said: If he goes 5 innings and gives up less than 3 runs. Yes, I think he goes. Fair enough, so you consider this an audition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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