IU Scott Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, Billingsley99 said: There were plenty but not to take a pay cut. EVERY coach has a price the problem is that we are not interested in paying it. https://www.businessinsider.com/college-basketball-highest-paid-coaches-2018-3/l List of the top 25 paid coaches in the country and Archie is at 10 Who above him would been willing to come here and everyone below him would have been a raise for them to come here so I still don't see how we are being cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 31 minutes ago, IU Scott said: https://www.businessinsider.com/college-basketball-highest-paid-coaches-2018-3/l List of the top 25 paid coaches in the country and Archie is at 10 Who above him would been willing to come here and everyone below him would have been a raise for them to come here so I still don't see how we are being cheap. At 10 mil a year you would get the attention of all of them. K and Cal and Self know they would not be able to get away with their stuff here. Beilein would have listened even within conference. Jay Wright and Bennett for sure would have listened for that kind of Money. For 10 million the Bennett family could forgive the treatment given to Cathy. Hoiberg Scott Drew and I would almost any and all on that list Does ole Roy do it for free he not on list Not saying any are better than CAM. We did.not go all in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 Just now, Billingsley99 said: At 10 mil a year you would get the attention of all of them. K and Cal and Self know they would not be able to get away with their stuff here. Beilein would have listened even within conference. Jay Wright and Bennett for sure would have listened for that kind of Money. For 10 million the Bennett family could forgive the treatment given to Cathy. Hoiberg Scott Drew and I would almost any and all on that list Not saying any are better than CAM. We did.not go all in. You might think so but I don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, Billingsley99 said: I agree. And the interesting thing, is that at one time while at Butler, Stevens had it written into his contract to have an easy out, if IU came calling. But.... that was before he left for Boston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 Man, I wish we woulda had the internet and social media back in 1971...I would have loved to seen the reaction to hiring a 31 year old coach who had just come off an 11-13 campaign at his previous school and led a team that was 17-7 the year before to a 17-8 record...top that off with a methodical offense that fans of the Hurryin' Hoosiers weren't use to, and it would have been a real hoot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 Just now, IUFLA said: Man, I wish we woulda had the internet and social media back in 1971...I would have loved to seen the reaction to hiring a 31 year old coach who had just come off an 11-13 campaign at his previous school and led a team that was 17-7 the year before to a 17-8 record...top that off with a methodical offense that fans of the Hurryin' Hoosiers weren't use to, and it would have been a real hoot... And adding to that....he was going to be head coach at Wisconsin and because those folks couldn't keep their traps shut he headed for Bloomington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 23 minutes ago, IU Scott said: You might think so but I don't I dont know many professionals with an opportunity to double or triple their salary that would not at least listen. To prove it someone offer me double and let's see what happens😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy1987 Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, IU Scott said: https://www.businessinsider.com/college-basketball-highest-paid-coaches-2018-3/l List of the top 25 paid coaches in the country and Archie is at 10 Who above him would been willing to come here and everyone below him would have been a raise for them to come here so I still don't see how we are being cheap. The problem with that reasoning is CAM is not producing results that makes us a Top 10 school. Hell we haven't been a Top 68 yet for that matter. Just because he's #10 doesn't mean he's better than #25. Maybe just maybe old Fred made a bad hire and overpaid. Honestly I think CAM could have been had for a lot less and after showing some progress got a huge raise. Regardless CAM will be back next year and get one more try to prove he's the guy. I'm pulling for him but honestly my confidence and expectations for next year aren't high. Go Hoosiers!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUfan93 Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 hours ago, bstall76 said: I do not know if he recruited shooters at Dayton or not, but the shooting numbers show they could shoot. His 6 years at UD they averaged 36.5% from 3 with a low of 34.4 and a high of 38.7. Now these are not jaw dropping numbers, but they are significantly better than IU is shooting, and would probably equal a few more wins. Thank you for the numbers. I can’t remember where I saw it posted that he didn’t recruit shooters at Dayton either. The bottom line is this isn’t Dayton and what may have worked there isn’t necessarily what can work here in the B1G. Hopefully he starts adapting and seeing what it is the roster needs to compete at the top of the conference. I really want to see him succeed at IU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 15-6 is not a bad record for a football school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud2BAHoosier Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 15 minutes ago, Indy1987 said: The problem with that reasoning is CAM is not producing results that makes us a Top 10 school. Hell we haven't been a Top 68 yet for that matter. Just because he's #10 doesn't mean he's better than #25. Maybe just maybe old Fred made a bad hire and overpaid. Honestly I think CAM could have been had for a lot less and after showing some progress got a huge raise. Regardless CAM will be back next year and get one more try to prove he's the guy. I'm pulling for him but honestly my confidence and expectations for next year aren't high. Go Hoosiers!!! Hate saying this, but maybe we, as IU fans, should lower our expectations. I almost feel this is where the program is right now. That way, by having lower expectations, fans will be pleasantly surprised when the team does well. …. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUfan93 Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 hours ago, IU/Butler/Notre Dame said: I’ve been in the mind set all year that we have him at least next year ...if he leaves that is a massive blow and deep hole to fill Until the student I know told me that, I was of the mindset he would be back too. Now keep in mind the student was told this over the summer so you know TJD could have changed his tune after getting into the season. The student also hasn’t talked to him since summer because the athletes kind of start to group off by sport when school is in session where in summer not everyone is around and the kids that are there actually live close together and see each other more. I really hope he does return because it’s a huge loss if he doesn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Proud2BAHoosier said: Hate saying this, but maybe we, as IU fans, should lower our expectations. I almost feel this is where the program is right now. That way, by having lower expectations, fans will be pleasantly surprised when the team does well. …. JMO Never. Nothing personal to you but no way, never, nada, isn't going to happen at least from this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf50 Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Proud2BAHoosier said: Hate saying this, but maybe we, as IU fans, should lower our expectations. I almost feel this is where the program is right now. That way, by having lower expectations, fans will be pleasantly surprised when the team does well. …. JMO I guess I should have been lowering my expectations for a couple decades now.....wow how time fly’s! This year my expectations are starting to wither and die on the vine!! Same ol same ol!! Shock them!!! Put in a walk on who can shoot!! If the scholly player can’t play on the road sit his ass!! I just don’t understand how we are in this mess in year THREE!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 34 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Man, I wish we woulda had the internet and social media back in 1971...I would have loved to seen the reaction to hiring a 31 year old coach who had just come off an 11-13 campaign at his previous school and led a team that was 17-7 the year before to a 17-8 record...top that off with a methodical offense that fans of the Hurryin' Hoosiers weren't use to, and it would have been a real hoot... People probably wouldn’t have been complaining in year 3 since he won the league in years 2-5. Which makes absolutely no sense because people keep saying how it takes 4 years for a coach to get his players and start being successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: People probably wouldn’t have been complaining in year 3 since he won the league in years 2-5. Which makes absolutely no sense because people keep saying how it takes 4 years for a coach to get his players and start being successful. Not taking a side here, but the game has changed just a wee bit since 1971. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU/Butler/Notre Dame Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: People probably wouldn’t have been complaining in year 3 since he won the league in years 2-5. Which makes absolutely no sense because people keep saying how it takes 4 years for a coach to get his players and start being successful. And what you inherit makes a difference also ....plus rmk wasn’t a good coach he was one of the BEST coaches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 minute ago, IU/Butler/Notre Dame said: And what you inherit makes a difference also ....plus rmk wasn’t a good coach he was one of the BEST coaches Is it concerning to anyone else how well Dayton is doing without Archie? Grant is another guy that was a mid major success but failed miserably when he got to Bama. Now he is back to a mid major at Dayton and has a top 10 team. Just think that maybe the program should get a lot of the credit for what happened their when Archie was the coach. We might have hired our Todd Lickliter IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Not taking a side here, but the game has changed just a wee bit since 1971. Yeah it takes less time to build a team thanks to transfer rules 3 minutes ago, IU/Butler/Notre Dame said: And what you inherit makes a difference also ....plus rmk wasn’t a good coach he was one of the BEST coaches He’s 3 years he’s had more than enough time to get a solid guard line up. Had two open scholarships this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxnJxn Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 18 minutes ago, Indy1987 said: The problem with that reasoning is CAM is not producing results that makes us a Top 10 school. Hell we haven't been a Top 68 yet for that matter. Just because he's #10 doesn't mean he's better than #25. Maybe just maybe old Fred made a bad hire and overpaid. Honestly I think CAM could have been had for a lot less and after showing some progress got a huge raise. Regardless CAM will be back next year and get one more try to prove he's the guy. I'm pulling for him but honestly my confidence and expectations for next year aren't high. Go Hoosiers!!! Well said. Based on what folks are saying about the class coming in, it sounds like there aren't any Romeo's or TJD's coming that will make an immediate impact. Therefore, our improvement next year is going to be based on (1) another year of experience for the guys coming back, and (2) some sort of addition by subtraction chemistry thing happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Not taking a side here, but the game has changed just a wee bit since 1971. It has. The players are worse, they're soft and wimpy in comparison, they're less skilled, they're not even actually more athletic, the game is worse, the rules are bad Signed, Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU/Butler/Notre Dame Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said: Is it concerning to anyone else how well Dayton is doing without Archie? Grant is another guy that was a mid major success but failed miserably when he got to Bama. Now he is back to a mid major at Dayton and has a top 10 team. Just think that maybe the program should get a lot of the credit for what happened their when Archie was the coach. We might have hired our Todd Lickliter IMO. Yes I have been weary of that also it’s a good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 And just remember that one of the guards that just beat us didn’t work in Archie’s system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said: Is it concerning to anyone else how well Dayton is doing without Archie? Grant is another guy that was a mid major success but failed miserably when he got to Bama. Now he is back to a mid major at Dayton and has a top 10 team. Just think that maybe the program should get a lot of the credit for what happened their when Archie was the coach. We might have hired our Todd Lickliter IMO. Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU/Butler/Notre Dame Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: Yeah it takes less time to build a team thanks to transfer rules He’s 3 years he’s had more than enough time to get a solid guard line up. Had two open scholarships this year I dislike our backcourt as much as anyone so I won’t argue against your point there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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