Steubenhoosier Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said: Archie's personality has definitely hurt him with the fan base and certainly doesn't help recruiting. We don't need a weirdo again but the coach can't be a complete introvert either. You mean when Romeo,TJD, and Leal, 3 Mr Basketball’s in a row committed to him? I can see that as proof that Archie comes across as off putting 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSaccamanno Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Threedom said: Or if the product itself is amazing. Just doesn’t seem like his style Of play is selling itself at this point Good point. If you’re losing, everything gets scrutinized. He’s not dynamic in reaching out to fans. He is an introvert. He lost Trey Kaufman right out of southern Indiana etc. If he’s winning, none of that is of concern beyond interesting idiosyncrasies. It comes with the territory in coaching. Win and all the other stuff is a side show. Lose and everything about you becomes a concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiveoutofsix Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 29 minutes ago, jefftheref said: I have no information but in my opinion Archie is very introverted and doesn't do those sort of things. To me he is a no nonsense person who coaches a basketball team. He is not into any sort of public relations. Just my opinion based upon watching him during his Indiana career. No question about it he introverted, where his brother is extroverted. But, many movie stars and musicians are introverted and when the curtain opens or when they have to be at an event or pr trip they know how to become. Introverted people have alot of energy as well and do what is needed to grind out success. My biggest issue is the non adaptability in the defense and offense. There is no identity and no flexibility in style to ultimately win a game, let alone a conference and make the tourney. Every top 10 team has played a true zone at least pnce this season and have played fast and slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUCrazy2 Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 11 hours ago, dbmhoosier said: Archie's personality has definitely hurt him with the fan base and certainly doesn't help recruiting. We don't need a weirdo again but the coach can't be a complete introvert either. If he were winning, nobody would care. If he was a hobbit who only left the shire to coach basketball games but he won 70% of his games and was making deep tourney runs, we'd all defend his introverted ways to the death. Crean was outgoing. It isn't their weird personalities that bother us, it is the losing. The rest is just us piling on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADGERVOL Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 32 minutes ago, iuthruandthru said: I tend to agree and on the flip I know many didn’t like that Crean felt salesman like. But I just wonder if him being an introvert has hurt him a lot with the fanbase. I’d say it hasn’t hurt with fanbase but it has hurt with recruiting. I still feel like such a huge percent of fans that want him gone still LIKE him. 🤷🏻♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUCrazy2 Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, BADGERVOL said: I’d say it hasn’t hurt with fanbase but it has hurt with recruiting. I still feel like such a huge percent of fans that want him gone still LIKE him. 🤷🏻♂️ I like his demeanor. I wish he would be a little more of the a-hole that I think he can be. Going after the ref after the tech call in the Purdue game, that guy might have done alright here had he been willing to do that with his players. I don't dislike Miller. I dislike losing. I am willing to put up with idiosyncratic behavior as long as the guy is winning. We defended Knight being a total dick for 29 years because he won games. We loved him for being a bit of a dick because he won games. We took on his personality. If Miller had us at the top of the BIG the past few years and was coming off an Elite 8 appearance, we'd think his personality was great. "He's lowkey and business like. Ya know...like a Midwesterner." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Turtle Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 The suspense of what is going to happen is pretty intense. I have no idea what or who is going to happen. It reminds me of when I was an aspiring actor and auditioned for a commercial for a new stool softener. I had to wait two weeks to find out if I got it. I didnt. I even remember my first line in it. 'Life is hard....but your stools don't have to be.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU878176 Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 If we were winning big, and Archie had the exact same personality, we would be praising him for being “all business”, focused, doesn’t care about the bs little stuff, etc. If he had a “salesman” type of personality, and we were winning big, we would be saying he is a great ambassador for the program and is perfect for a visible power 5 job. Winning cures all (unless it is under a cloud of infractions). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 5 hours ago, iuthruandthru said: Not trying to accuse Archie of not doing that but I can’t honestly think of any stories I have heard about him that are in line with what I used to hear about Crean. I was thinking about it and found it odd and wondered if it was just coincidence. Not a story I'd like to share here, but I know of a situation firsthand where Archie and his family were very thoughtful and kind to members of the Bloomington community. Archie just is not the type of person to do this type of stuff in the spotlight. Doesn't really matter, we don't pay him to be a good Samaritan, and ultimately I don't think any of us would care one way or another if he was winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Ballin Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 8 hours ago, dbmhoosier said: Archie's personality has definitely hurt him with the fan base and certainly doesn't help recruiting. We don't need a weirdo again but the coach can't be a complete introvert either. Im not sure if his personality is actually what is on display for everyone. There waa a game early his first year he got PIIIISED about something in a game and hit the scoreers table and stuff went flying everywhere n got on the court. He got an insta-Tech and i got excited cuz i thought we had our guy that wasnt guna take any crap! That lasted about 4 seconds cuz he rolled over n showed his belly apologizing....and i dont think he's gotten another tech since. Now im not saying getting techs is how you measure a coach but that was one of the few times he's shown some fire and life on the sideline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 9 hours ago, Fiveoutofsix said: No question about it he introverted, where his brother is extroverted. But, many movie stars and musicians are introverted and when the curtain opens or when they have to be at an event or pr trip they know how to become. Introverted people have alot of energy as well and do what is needed to grind out success. My biggest issue is the non adaptability in the defense and offense. There is no identity and no flexibility in style to ultimately win a game, let alone a conference and make the tourney. Every top 10 team has played a true zone at least pnce this season and have played fast and slow. That second paragraph hits home with me. I see way too many coaches that won't/don't swallow their pride when it comes to making changes in their philosophy. I am not asking Archie to throw his ideologies in the trash. Just change them up when a situation calls for it. Play to your personnel...play to the weaknesses of the other team. Catch the opponent off guard with a full court press. Confuse them with a zone every now and then. Do whatever it takes to win the damn ballgame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud2BAHoosier Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 11 hours ago, BobSaccamanno said: For the recruits we lost, I’d love to get an exit interview. I would love to get a candid understanding of why we missed out. Not meaning this as a pile on at all, but I wonder if some kids are more interested in a more dynamic coach. An introvert can sell but it’s got to be all on message almost at a perfect level. We need Bruce Pearl.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 11 hours ago, BobSaccamanno said: For the recruits we lost, I’d love to get an exit interview. I would love to get a candid understanding of why we missed out. Not meaning this as a pile on at all, but I wonder if some kids are more interested in a more dynamic coach. An introvert can sell but it’s got to be all on message almost at a perfect level. The couple that I have info on have said it's more style of play on offense. I was told pace of the offense is a hindrance. Maybe that's the easy answer like those that say it's our fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippopotamo Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Billingsley99 said: The couple that I have info on have said it's more style of play on offense. I was told pace of the offense is a hindrance. Maybe that's the easy answer like those that say it's our fans. I would bet a lot of that is true. If the fans don’t enjoy watching our offense, how can any recruit enjoy watching it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Billingsley99 said: The couple that I have info on have said it's more style of play on offense. I was told pace of the offense is a hindrance. Maybe that's the easy answer like those that say it's our fans. Makes sense. Archie ball is Bennett ball without any of the winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledies22 Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, Proud2BAHoosier said: We need Bruce Pearl.... shut the front door. Auburn is missing the post season this year. Not only because they suck in the subpar SEC, but they are serving a self-imposed post season ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDIUFAN Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 I would think that the talent level of recruits we missed on are very confident in there ability to come in an win a spot on the floor. So its got to be they want to show their skills on a national level. Meaning who’s going to get me to the tournament and the next level. just my opinion Archies missed out on more then a couple Indiana targets. He’s missed on some very good transfers also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADGERVOL Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, OLDIUFAN said: I would think that the talent level of recruits we missed on are very confident in there ability to come in an win a spot on the floor. So its got to be they want to show their skills on a national level. Meaning who’s going to get me to the tournament and the next level. just my opinion Archies missed out on more then a couple Indiana targets. He’s missed on some very good transfers also. IMO they share some similarities to our fans in that if you’re a good recruit and see the lack of progress of the program you have to pause. That first class or two can be “sold” on “hey we are rebuilding and YOU can be a huge part of it!” But if you don’t start turning a corner that sales pitch loses a lot of weight. Once again this DOES NOT MEAN an average fan or recruit has to see a Final Four Team in year 3 but they need to see that the two classes of recruits and even the freshman when you arrived, are growing and improving and that the team is taking legit measurable SIZE-ABLE steps. If you look the same as your first year or have tiny tiny improvements then... 😫 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 Here’s a quote from a supposed insider on another board. Obviously I can’t speak to his trustworthiness. “Is anyone a member of the Wells house society? Dolson did a conference call with them last night. A few things he said that I saw on another site was that the elephant in the room is men's basketball. Said he disappointed in the inconsistencies of the basketball program but that he and Archie are 100% on the same page. Take that for what it's worth.” This coupled with news that IU reached out to an ISU player who just entered the portal tells me we’re about to have a lot of disappointed fans. If Archie were really about to resign, as many have suggested, would the staff really be actively recruiting days prior? I’m sure there’s a good chance that he would... but when I look at all the tea leaves I see year 5 under CAM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JugRox Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, madmax said: Here’s a quote from a supposed insider on another board. Obviously I can’t speak to his trustworthiness. “Is anyone a member of the Wells house society? Dolson did a conference call with them last night. A few things he said that I saw on another site was that the elephant in the room is men's basketball. Said he disappointed in the inconsistencies of the basketball program but that he and Archie are 100% on the same page. Take that for what it's worth.” This coupled with news that IU reached out to an ISU player who just entered the portal tells me we’re about to have a lot of disappointed fans. If Archie were really about to resign, as many have suggested, would the staff really be actively recruiting days prior? I’m sure there’s a good chance that he would... but when I look at all the tea leaves I see year 5 under CAM. Feels Miller isn’t going anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inequality Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, madmax said: Here’s a quote from a supposed insider on another board. Obviously I can’t speak to his trustworthiness. “Is anyone a member of the Wells house society? Dolson did a conference call with them last night. A few things he said that I saw on another site was that the elephant in the room is men's basketball. Said he disappointed in the inconsistencies of the basketball program but that he and Archie are 100% on the same page. Take that for what it's worth.” This coupled with news that IU reached out to an ISU player who just entered the portal tells me we’re about to have a lot of disappointed fans. If Archie were really about to resign, as many have suggested, would the staff really be actively recruiting days prior? I’m sure there’s a good chance that he would... but when I look at all the tea leaves I see year 5 under CAM. If that’s true then Dolson wasn’t the right man for the job. Archie Miller is absolutely terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, madmax said: Here’s a quote from a supposed insider on another board. Obviously I can’t speak to his trustworthiness. “Is anyone a member of the Wells house society? Dolson did a conference call with them last night. A few things he said that I saw on another site was that the elephant in the room is men's basketball. Said he disappointed in the inconsistencies of the basketball program but that he and Archie are 100% on the same page. Take that for what it's worth.” This coupled with news that IU reached out to an ISU player who just entered the portal tells me we’re about to have a lot of disappointed fans. If Archie were really about to resign, as many have suggested, would the staff really be actively recruiting days prior? I’m sure there’s a good chance that he would... but when I look at all the tea leaves I see year 5 under CAM. And I should note that I don’t doubt that Dolson has been securing the money for a buyout, just in case, as has been rumored. Any good AD would do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, JugRox said: Feels Miller isn’t going anywhere. Wouldn't shock me. Dolson is a yes man with little authority at this point. McRobbie likely won't get involved so he'd need complete support from the BOT to make a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, Inequality said: If that’s true then Dolson wasn’t the right man for the job. Archie Miller is absolutely terrible. Meh. I would respectfully disagree about Archie, but this has been argued a billion times here over the last month and there’s really nothing new to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADGERVOL Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 The actively recruiting doesn’t seem strange in the least. If Archie is trying to negotiate the best buyout for himself, he’s not going to do a thing to wave a white flag or he loses all power at the table. It’s like saying “I want to leave so you can negotiate down as low as you want and I’ll take it.” Hes going to work as though he’s gonna come back until they fire him or give him a good deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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