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2 hours ago, dgambill said:
Izzo isn’t going anywhere. He can lose games and no one questions him. Archie is in that position where he needs to win and win early to keep his job in the long run. I think it’s why he kept Creans guys on the team when we would have been better ripping the band aid off and why he doesn’t play Lander. I do think given how our guards have played there is room to bring Lander along. I also think he can play as the non primary ball handler more...he doesn’t have to just run the point. I think if you want to be good in February and March you have to build your bench and confidence early.
Not sure about the win early point. CAM is not on the hot seat, any such talk is complete BS. And we’re not talking about not winning out in the season, we’re talking early games.
Agree on positional switching and RE how our guards have played but it’s think it’s more about having multiple ball handlers than running point — that’s been the objective, 3 handlers.
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5 hours ago, IUFLA said:
I agree with a lot of this...I bolded the part I don't know about (ignorance of the overall defensive scheme on my part)...
I do know he's good about keeping the his man in front of him and I've been impressed with his closeout speed...
The underlined part I question...He has to fit into the scheme and the culture...Not the other way around...I go back to Izzo's mantra..."Players determine playing time."
All fair for discussion. I personally think CAM's approach -- the get older, play young, talented frosh less than most teams would (I think that's fact) in favor of veteran experienced players -- cuts both ways. We're a good team now, think that's clear. That is absolutely at least in part because of CAM's approach, building on vet experience and emphasizing, for the most part, the vets (Hunter kind of in the middle here though). But contrast, for example, how Izzo brings his teams along going into a season -- not always but often, MSU struggles early, including losing to non-Div I teams, etc., because he's working in the young talent, and by early to mid-conf play, they're clicking and playing typical MSU ball.
Think Izzo would sit Lander on the bench? I doubt it, and, generally, as talented as Lander is -- and he's already shown flashes of on-court brilliance -- I want him playing more and getting his college game legs under him. That could cause an early loss or two. No question Rob is the steadier point right now, but how might Lander help us come say February? If he's been barely playing, not much.
So whether CAM's approach, so far, is a good or not so good thing remains to be seen, but I don't believe in just accepting that because a player isn't playing as much, that means they're not showing enough or talented enough. This also relates to my thinking on Hunter -- right or wrong -- I don't like the way CAM is under-utilizing him. We know, from CAM's mouth, he's one of the 3 best shooters on the team. We know he finished last year shooting North of 40%. I know I know, Defense, but for Christ's sake we will need scoring in B1G play.
Then there's the recruiting side and potential fallout of leaving a 5 star sitting on the bench. How many #1 - ranked or otherwise elite points do you think are good coming into a school where the coach sits guys like that on the bench? Playing time is a huge part of recruiting.
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4 hours ago, 5fouls said:
Lander has the worst PER and W/S Per 40 of any of the scholarship players. If the purpose is to win now, his role should continue as it has been until his play improves.
Meh. PER again, take with grain of salt. His upside and talent are beyond (reasonable) question. The question is not what his "PER" is now, it's what the team and coach can do to get to his anticipated contributions to the team sooner rather than later. That's debatable. I'm on the side of getting the "Five Star" #1-ranked point guard playing time, especially in the early part of the schedule, to get him ready sooner. Most teams would.
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7 hours ago, KoB2011 said:
PG didn't force his way out of two situations? It just seems really convenient to give PG a pass but then try to demonize Butler for wanting out of Chicago and Minnesota as if those are places that have won with the consistency that Indiana and OKC have.
And look, I might be the second biggest PG defender on the board (remember a few days ago when I pointed out he has shown multiple times he can play at an MVP caliber level) behind you but he was never in situations as bad as Butler, and the teams he's left have at a minimum not gotten worse, where as Butler's teams have shown that they were trash after he left. I don't think anyone would argue the fact that PG is more talented than Jimmy Butler, but i think you're the only person (on the board, maybe on the planet) that would argue PG is on the same playing field as Butler between the ears.
The reality is Butler is a really good teammate to guys who want to win and a great leader. I'm not sure how you can say either of those things about PG with a straight face...
Butler has a long history of locker room fights and discontent with teammates and media. That’s reality. PG had no issues for many years in IN. That’s reality. Then things went South in IN and PG started making clear he wanted out, that’s also reality. I don’t blame him given the situation in IN and he wanted to go back to his home in LA and family - but there’s another side to that story also reality. Butler is doing great now and by al accounts is now a great teammate. Also reality. That’s it for me
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4 hours ago, IUFLA said:
Ok, so there's ONE person who thinks Lander should start over Rob...😁
But I'll give you 2 reasons he won't...
Defense and turnovers...
As the season goes along though, if Kristian's light goes on, I'd say at this point Al is the most vulnerable to lose his starting gig to the freshman...
Lander isn’t ready to start (imo), but he has a higher upside than Rob and the more he plays the better he will get and the faster he’ll get there. He is an extreme talent.
Without going into who should start over whom, IowaHoosierFan’s position isn’t crazy. Rob is a strong defender and, imo, brings that steady veteran floor leadership we need on the floor, along with an improved deep shot — that he doesn’t go for enough and that he hasn’t shown consistently yet - and I want him out there, but Lander absolutely, imo, needs more floor time and run than he’s being given. CAM’s approach can be holding him back, just because CAM is limiting him doesn’t make it right.
And on his D he has actually shown good D, he doesn’t get beaten often, his defensive positioning is sound. He’s just not acclimated to the speed and timing of the college game. He will get there, we’re talking the top ranked point in his class. TO’s are part of that.-
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1 hour ago, KoB2011 said:
He forced a trade from two bad teams that haven't done worth a dang since he left. Hard to put the blame on him and it looks like he was spot-on with how he felt about the Bulls and Wolves situations....
I can only imagine what you'd say about a two-way wing that forced his way off of two teams that both played better without him if this is how you feel about Butler....
Lol except PG didn’t force himself off, Bird traded or lost every single player he played with then forced him to play the 4 but nice try. Of F it, I can’t even read the board with another PG jibe.
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17 minutes ago, dgambill said:
Who did Lebron trust to get him his championships? To have a rookie coach lead him? Giannis obviously can do what he thinks best but if I want to cement my legacy I know where to go in the East to do that. I know who I would trust to help me do it. That said like most NBA stars he can force his way out if the time comes.
I’m not really following where you’re going here. Again I wasn’t taking a swipe at Butler though again I think he was basically a malcontent on prior teams, before Philly.
As to whether guys want to fight long term with their teams, or chase a ring somewhere that’s an individual choice. Was there something wrong with Reggie for playing 18 years with the Pacers? Or is there something wrong with Dame for being loyal to the Blazers, and laughing at the way Durant ran to the team that beat him to get a ring in GS? No. But there’s also nothing wrong imo with guys leaving bad organizations, or managers / management who screw up the teams (eg, Bird), or who need a better fit, or who are looking for better pay etc.-
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23 minutes ago, dgambill said:
And he probably will never be surrounded by championship caliber talent. Miami could have provided him that. I don’t get your Butler swipe..that guy is a pit bull on the court. Wants to win at all cost and I respect he forced his way out of some terrible organizations and situations. Good luck to Giannis.
It's not really a swipe at Butler -- it's that Butler has jumped to numerous teams now. Count the teams. I don't buy into your view of Butler -- he has been a cancer but has matured. And yes, he is chasing a ring in his latest jump to Miami. However, again, I didn't mean it as a swipe at Butler, and definitely no faulting his leaving Philli for Miami, Miami is a better organization than Philli and Miami is clearly built better a a team.
As to whether he'll be surrounded by championship talent, who knows? The Bucks have had the best record in the East two years running, right? They were clearly a step away from the championship last year, but just came up short. This year Giannis himself got exposed for lack of an improved jumper, and he needs to work on that, and the Bucks got exposed because they got worse, not better, but still good enough to rack up the best regular season record.
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50 minutes ago, dgambill said:
I honestly thought he would go to Miami. I would. Riley knows how to construct a team and they have a really good coach.
Some guys walk to the beat of their own drum, always thought Giannis was one of those guys. He's no Butler.
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15 minutes ago, IU Scott said:
Pretty surprised to see him stay with the Bucks. I am glad a star like that stayed with his small market team.
I tended to think he would stay, but of course wasn't sure.
He has always seemed like a guy like a Dirk or Duncan or for even a Dame who wanted to stick it out.
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13 hours ago, IU Scott said:
Yet they lost both games. I don't mind if they are coming part of the offense where the are moving the ball. In the first quarter tonight they was getting great ball movement and kicking out for open 3's and hit 8-12. After that especially in the second half they just jacked up all of bad shots.
Scott it's preseason, who wins is completely meaningless, but how the team shoots matters.
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12 minutes ago, IU Scott said:
In two preseason games the Pavers are 32-84 from 3's. I am hoping we are not going to be shooting this many 3's all year long because I am not a fan of that style of play. Especially with how this roster is set up where they don't have a bunch of great shooters.
But they hit over 40 percent from deep tonight
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27 minutes ago, IU Scott said:
Saw Maryland.in a couple of early games and thought they might be better than I thought. These last two games against quality opponents have shown some of their weaknesses
I bet the MD teams of the 70s and 80s were better!
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20 minutes ago, BGleas said:
It's unbelievable, and while Durant is far more accomplished he also doesn't handle to spotlight the best all of the time.
I can see Durant completely losing his mind by mid season if Kyrie is hogging the ball and not talking to the media.
Just imagine Harden joining that group. Maybe they could throw a second ball out on the floor
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11 minutes ago, 5fouls said:
Juwan with a solid game last night. 11 points (3-4 from deep) and 7 boards.
Great to see him in the League. He’s fundamentally excellent. He’s been overcoming the limitations that most thought would keep him from making it. You can be a solid NBA play on strong fundamentals, a great understanding of the game, and effort
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1 minute ago, Seeking6 said:
Sparty gave up 91 to an 0-7 Oakland team today.
Yeah saw that, not exactly a strong defensive effort
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On 12/11/2020 at 8:07 AM, rico said:
And post on HSN ....
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6 minutes ago, BGleas said:
I'd also ask how does Archie handle the team from an offensive perspective? I firmly believe that schematically IU's offense is good. IU gets good, open shots under Archie. We've just struggled to make them for his time here. So, how is the team handled offensively from a coaching perspective when they miss shots? There's clearly a confidence issue with the team over the last 4 years in terms of shooting.
Shooters need good form, mechanics, all of that stuff, but above everything shooters need confidence, and IU players have not seemed confident since Archie got here. Does he yell and scream at them when they miss? Has he created culture that focuses on getting to the basket so much that there is an aura of "if you take a 3, you better make it or else?"
I don't know the answers to those questions, nobody on this board does. But from my experience those things matter more than any set, system, or schematic offense.
I played the wing in college and I played for a coach that would lose his mind every time you missed. You could miss a clean, open 3 and running back down court you could hear him screaming at you. We had good shooters, but often weren't a great shooting team because of the atmosphere/culture our coach had created around shooting.
I'm not saying Archie is doing that. I think part of it is recruiting. Archie hasn't really recruited pure shooters. He's recruited guys that can shoot, but not shooters. He's never brought in a JBJ, Hulls, Roth, Zeisloft, etc., so it could be more that.
But I think it's valid to question the atmosphere/culture Archie has instilled offensively, because again schematically the offense is perfectly fine.
Good points Gleas - and a coach’s persona can definitely affect how and when a team shoots. That was part of RMK’s later tenure teams’ downfall for example. The ball movement became swing it around the perimeter until the end of shot clock because guys were scared to shoot because Knight would scream and then yank them when they missed.
CAM’s recruiting so far is, IMO, more focused on D and toughness than shooting — but Leal is an example of recruiting shooting. His scouting was high level shooter with good range who will eventually start. He is a very good shooter. But I do think CAM’s focus on D and ball handling first is why you see, for example, Hunter on the bench — when we need shooting on the floor, and this is bothering me. We lost the last game for lack of shooting. We had shooting but CAM left Galloway out there and Hunter on the bench. Bad decision / style imo.
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3 minutes ago, rico said:
If he would have went to IU, he would have forgot how to shoot. Sigh
Having similar discussion in other threads but my concern, so far, is not with the players but with CAM as to how and to what extent he de-emphasizes outside shooting. I generally believe in CAM and see the team starting to show his toughness / grit, but I do not like the way he leaves Hunter in the bench and focuses more on the idea of limiting TO’s to create offense than shooting. I don’t see guys forgetting how to shoot, I see shooting not getting the kind of emphasis I think it should
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Just now, BGleas said:
Never should have gone to Sacramento. I did see a tweet from a reporter that he's one of the vet guards that is generating interest from some teams.
Yep. Said that when he made the move. He was betting on himself, for the money, but he bet on himself on the team with terrible management and front office.
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50 minutes ago, BGleas said:
Just caught a few minutes of a Blazers-Kings preseason game, is Yogi not with a team so far?
He’s not listed on nba.com, doesn’t appear to be.
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12 minutes ago, BGleas said:
Uh yeah, I slam LeBron all the time. But, it's also harder to slam LeBron because he has the resume and the rings so he can get away with more stuff. But guys like PG, Harden, Kyrie, etc. get hit more when they say/do dumb things.
I can’t stand Harden but in fairness he is an MVP
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24 minutes ago, BobSaccamanno said:
I’d say top fifteen is pretty darn good, but no I wouldn’t consider him in the top ten at this stage. He’s an obvious level below the super elite guys. Lebron, Giannis, Doncic, Kawhi, Curry. There’s is a difference in kind from those guys to George. I’m not a George hater. I have no reason to be. That’s just how I think most people see him.
My point is to be rated 15 is still very high. To think much higher just isn’t realistic.You’re welcome to that opinion but you can’t name but a couple or so guys who have done what he’s done on both sides of the ball. I’m no longer sold on Giannis in that top group btw. He was badly exposed in this past playoffs. He is a freak of nature and definitely top 10, but he’s a weak shooter, he hasn’t improved that aspect of his game.
Curry is fantastic, but a weak defender, they have to hide him on D. Harden? pretty much everyone puts him in the top 10, incredible scorer, but another lightweight defensively, and his playoff record? Most had Embiid in the top 10. Now? Hmm. Guys clearly on another level to me — LBJ, Durant, Kawhi, AD, Curry, Doncic (potential as best player). After that it gets really subjective imo. Not many really had Dame or Jocic top 10 before this season now many do. Dame is in my book.
So when PG finished the no. 2 overall scorer, and in the top 3 for MVP and defensive MVP in the same season, if you don’t then consider him top ten to me is kind of silly. But he just had a bad year and doesn’t belong in that top 10 right now, just a year later, that’s completely fair - but don’t be shocked if he tears it up this year -
2 minutes ago, BGleas said:
But it's also comical that he would say that when he's never won the MVP. He's just had so many missteps over the last few years in terms of saying things he probably shouldn't have that he's made himself an easy target.
No argument he puts his foot in his mouth. But I could pull up multiple stupid comments from LBJ et al but you guys don’t slam him because you like to poke at PG. come on now you know it’s true 🤣
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CAM is not on any kind of hot seat. He needs to win this season more for program momentum and recruiting, but he doesn’t need to win right away out of the gate, and he’s not going anywhere either.