Artesian_86 Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 ……The more I read about, stew over, justify and get opinions on last night’s game, the more I have to accept and realize we still lost the game… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUCrazy2 Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 17 minutes ago, btownqb said: Could a side effect (is that the right term?) of awarding 2 shots for 7 team fouls, instead of a 1-1, be.... the game is a little less physical/defenders are more aware of fouling? And... that lead to more entertainment/intrigue.... anyways? I could get with the 4 quarters and shoot 2 after 5 fouls thing. I think it would actually cut down on foul shooting having a reset after 10 minutes. That helps the flow. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Artesian_86 said: ……The more I read about, stew over, justify and get opinions on last night’s game, the more I have to accept and realize we still lost the game… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierfan1901 Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 Let’s get this Illinois pregame started up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier4Life53 Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Hoosierfan1901 said: Let’s get this Illinois pregame started up Agree, bottom line is we didn’t play well enough to win. Let’s get Illinois. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUskim Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 31 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Maybe that could be because of the style of play instead of having quarters or halves. What’s different besides the obvious more athleticism the men display? The men have a dominant post player we play through so does the women. I guess you could say it’s more physical? I mean I know they are two completely different games but I don’t think that the men’s game style of play would change from switching to quarters from halves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, IUskim said: What’s different besides the obvious more athleticism the men display? The men have a dominant post player we play through so does the women. I guess you could say it’s more physical? I mean I know they are two completely different games but I don’t think that the men’s game style of play would change from switching to quarters from halves. The women's game seems to have more player and ball movement. The game is way less physical inside and there seems to be more freedom of movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Hoopsier Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 24 minutes ago, Hoosierfan1901 said: Let’s get this Illinois pregame started up Will there be free throws and quarters? Can't wait. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluegrassIU Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 40 minutes ago, Artesian_86 said: ……The more I read about, stew over, justify and get opinions on last night’s game, the more I have to accept and realize we still lost the game… It's cute that you actually think this is still a post-game thread 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierfan1901 Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 40 minutes ago, Hoosier4Life53 said: Agree, bottom line is we didn’t play well enough to win. Let’s get Illinois. Wrong idea, pregame at Nick’s for 48 hours 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drroogh Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 19 minutes ago, Joe_Hoopsier said: Will there be free throws and quarters? Can't wait. Illinois gets to shoot 2 free throws at the 4 minute time out because of a technical foul called on X for sitting on the bench without a boot! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 Heard Mike Docoursey on the radio today. He said if Galloway would have sold the foul more by going to the ground they probably would have called the foul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reacher Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 Just now, IU Scott said: Heard Mike Docoursey on the radio today. He said if Galloway would have sold the foul more by going to the ground they probably would have called the foul. And that's ridiculous. In other words, he should have flopped. I thought that was a no no. We need to take the acting out of the game, not add more 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdue7 Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 19 hours ago, BGleas said: My only thing on the bolded is that I don't see any other teams being treated that way. IU probably has 4-6 technicals this year on just garbage stuff that I don't see being called on any other teams. Not trying to troll 🧌 you 1. NW bricked another 3 as T is called 2. Yet Fran gets nothing for the BS in Iowa city? 3. CMW has to keep his cool and get bench in order….those 4 points were huge in a game to 60 4. It was an obvious travel 5. We need ref 🎤 every game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, KoB2011 said: Why would you punish a team for simply getting fouled? The point is to punish the defense for fouling too much, not to punish the offense. How are you "punishing" anybody? You're giving your opponent an opportunity to score 2 points in exchange for time. They just have to earn the second by making the first... It's all strategic... Unless you want to sap all of the strategy out of basketball like they have baseball with the DH (another thing @btownqb and I disagree on, but that's ok)... Here's the thing... I've seen many instances in my life where people keep tinkering with something until they break it. Change simply for the sake of change is, as I said, dumb... If you can produce a tangible advancement of the game, hey, fine... The shot clock was a good idea... The 3 point line was a good idea... I'm certainly ok with change if it improves the product, but so far, I haven't seen that kind of justification for change... Edited February 16, 2023 by IUFLA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 3 hours ago, KoB2011 said: Are the point of rules to create suspense? So @BGleassuggested letting the ball advance to half court... Why would you do that beyond paving the way for a more exciting ending? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 29 minutes ago, IUFLA said: How are you "punishing" anybody? You're giving your opponent an opportunity to score 2 points in exchange for time. They just have to earn the second by making the first... It's all strategic... Unless you want to sap all of the strategy out of basketball like they have baseball with the DH (another thing @btownqb and I disagree on, but that's ok)... Here's the thing... I've seen many instances in my life where people keep tinkering with something until they break it. Change simply for the sake of change is, as I said, dumb... If you can produce a tangible advancement of the game, hey, fine... The shot clock was a good idea... The 3 point line was a good idea... I'm certainly ok with change if it improves the product, but so far, I haven't seen that kind of justification for change... Very well said and totally agree with this viewpoint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 16 minutes ago, IUFLA said: How are you "punishing" anybody? You're giving your opponent an opportunity to score 2 points in exchange for time. They just have to earn the second by making the first... It's all strategic... Unless you want to sap all of the strategy out of basketball like they have baseball with the DH (another thing @btownqb and I disagree on, but that's ok)... Here's the thing... I've seen many instances in my life where people keep tinkering with something until they break it. Change simply for the sake of change is, as I said, dumb... If you can produce a tangible advancement of the game, hey, fine... The shot clock was a good idea... The 3 point line was a good idea... I'm certainly ok with change if it improves the product, but so far, I haven't seen that kind of justification for change... But why does the defense get to trade anything by fouling that the offense then has to earn? If they want the ball back faster they should have to play defense and earn it, right? If they choose to foul it shouldn’t shift the burden and pressure to the offense; that’s punishing the offense for the defense violating the rules. Without factoring in the pressure of the situation, a 75% free throw shooter scores .19 less per possession a 1 and 1 as opposed to if he got two shots. That’s a huge advantage to the defense when they are the team committing a violation in the first place. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, IUFLA said: So @BGleassuggested letting the ball advance to half court... Why would you do that beyond paving the way for a more exciting ending? I suppose you are, but it’s the team with the ball using an asset of theirs in exchange for something. A one in one is a team committing a violation and getting rewarded with something. Edited February 17, 2023 by KoB2011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reacher Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 I pulled this video of the Bates steal and foul from my recorded game. NW had a 5 point lead at the time. Momentum started to shift here. A few possessions later, the techs were called. 20230216_174324_001.mp4 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 37 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: But why does the defense get to trade anything by fouling that the offense then has to earn? If they want the ball back faster they should have to play defense and earn it, right? If they choose to foul it shouldn’t shift the burden and pressure to the offense; that’s punishing the offense for the defense violating the rules. Without factoring in the pressure of the situation, a 75% free throw shooter scores .19 less per possession a 1 and 1 as opposed to if he got two shots. That’s a huge advantage to the defense when they are the team committing a violation in the first place. All you're doing is asking a basketball player to do something native to the game... Put the ball in the basket... Free... With no one guarding you... It's strategy plain and simple... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, IUFLA said: All you're doing is asking a basketball player to do something native to the game... Put the ball in the basket... Free... With no one guarding you... It's strategy plain and simple... factually speaking, the offensive team gets less expected points from a 1 and 1 than a 2 shot foul… even with a good free throw shooter. I don’t think committing a violation, especially on purpose, should result in an advantage for the defense. It’s fine if you or anyone else does, but let’s admit it’s because we want chaos and not what actually helps determine who is best on a given night. Edited February 17, 2023 by KoB2011 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 38 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: factually speaking, the offensive team gets less expected points from a 1 and 1 than a 2 shot foul… even with a good free throw shooter. I don’t think committing a violation, especially on purpose, should result in an advantage for the defense. It’s fine if you or anyone else does, but let’s admit it’s because we want chaos and not what actually helps determine who is best on a given night. Factually speaking almost all players make FTs at a higher percentage than they do field goals... At the end of the game, the score, regardless of the circumstances, will tell you who is the best on a given night... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdue7 Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Reacher said: I pulled this video of the Bates steal and foul from my recorded game. NW had a 5 point lead at the time. Momentum started to shift here. A few possessions later, the techs were called. 20230216_174324_001.mp4 I think it’s on the pick…but the way NW pass blocks 😳 FullSizeRender.MOV 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 10 minutes ago, Purdue7 said: I think it’s on the pick…but the way NW pass blocks 😳 FullSizeRender.MOV He didn't impede him though if you watch the angle @Reacherposted. If Chief Scrotum is calling fouls just for putting your hand on a guy and not impeding him then he missed about 50 on NW. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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