btownqb Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 8 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Frustrating in what way? Aside from IU losing, I consider this to be a fascinating tourney. I think we're seeing the result of more freedom of player movement as well as players not going pro as quickly. I'll easily take this year's tourney over one that only sees 1, 2, & 3 seeds advance. For sure fascinating... and the left side of the bracket is nutty... .... but it has been frustrating for me because I haven't watched a team yet that we wouldn't have a 50% chance of beating on a neutral court with XJ. This team had a real shot to make a run until his injury happened. I'd love to see XJ vs Norwell/Pack 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, btownqb said: For sure fascinating... and the left side of the bracket is nutty... .... but it has been frustrating for me because I haven't watched a team yet that we wouldn't have a 50% chance of beating on a neutral court with XJ. This team had a real shot to make a run until his injury happened. I'd love to see XJ vs Norwell/Pack Yeah, XJ would have changed a lot this season. I think the big things are XJ's injury, which alone would have made a big difference, and then the lack of development from Bates and Geronimo. Those three things change and we look a lot like these remaining teams, if not even better given how dominant TJD was. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyhoosier29 Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 12 hours ago, Steubenhoosier said: I can't believe anyone who wins their bracket contest will have picked the eventual champion I had Alabama, Purdue (dumb), Texas, and UCONN in the final four. Did well on one side. Have Texas winning it. 🤷🏻♂️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg Bawls Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 40 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Frustrating in what way? Aside from IU losing, I consider this to be a fascinating tourney. I think we're seeing the result of more freedom of player movement as well as players not going pro as quickly. I'll easily take this year's tourney over one that only sees 1, 2, & 3 seeds advance. I bet the NCAA doesn't feel the same... but I do.. I like seeing kids with a sling shot have a chance... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUCrazy2 Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, 5fouls said: Frustrating in what way? Aside from IU losing, I consider this to be a fascinating tourney. I think we're seeing the result of more freedom of player movement as well as players not going pro as quickly. I'll easily take this year's tourney over one that only sees 1, 2, & 3 seeds advance. Frustrating in that, I think it is validating approaches that I believe will eventually be the death of what made college basketball different from the pros. Taking away my irrational attachment to Indiana basketball, my rational side has a hard time squaring the true value of these programs to their respective schools anymore. There used to be the argument they drove donations to the school. I believe this validates that if you want to watch your team win, you need to get the Nijel Packs of the world money, not be donating to some vague athletic or academic fund. And most of these athletic programs lose money. Indiana being self sufficient and operating in the black most years is not the norm. I turn 45 later this year. Maybe my "Get off my lawn" phase is starting to kick in but I view Miami doing what they are doing as being just as yuck as what Kentucky did in the past. It is just out in the open now. ETA: And I forgot the selfish side that btownqb mentioned up above. This Thing was open for the taking, maybe not as much as Scott May and Alan Henderson injuries, but that Johnson injury will have people playing some what ifs about this year given the Final 8 teams left right now. Edited March 25, 2023 by IUCrazy2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said: Frustrating in that, I think it is validating approaches that I believe will eventually be the death of what made college basketball different from the pros. Taking away my irrational attachment to Indiana basketball, my rational side has a hard time squaring the true value of these programs to their respective schools anymore. There used to be the argument they drove donations to the school. I believe this validates that if you want to watch your team win, you need to get the Nijel Packs of the world money, not be donating to some vague athletic or academic fund. And most of these athletic programs lose money. Indiana being self sufficient and operating in the black most years is not the norm. I turn 45 later this year. Maybe my "Get off my lawn" phase is starting to kick in but I view Miami doing what they are doing as being just as yuck as what Kentucky did in the past. It is just out in the open now. ETA: And I forgot the selfish side that btownqb mentioned up above. This Thing was open for the taking, maybe not as much as Scott May and Alan Henderson injuries, but that Johnson injury will have people playing some what ifs about this year given the Final 8 teams left right now. The 'financial' side has always played a part. UK, UL, Duke (yes, they cheated), and all the way back to Wooden's UCLA teams are all examples of the mighty dollar playing a part in who wins the Championship. This year, yes, you have the deep pockets of Miami scenario, but you also had a school like Princeton making a run where you know those types of payments were not being made. The interesting thing about Pack is that, based on the side of the bracket they are on, Kansas State probably has a better chance of winning it all than Miami does. Wouldn't that be something. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg Bawls Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 I still dont like KSU cause of Weber,,, 🤷♂️ sorry KSU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUCrazy2 Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, 5fouls said: The 'financial' side has always played a part. UK, UL, Duke (yes, they cheated), and all the way back to Wooden's UCLA teams are all examples of the mighty dollar playing a part in who wins the Championship. This year, yes, you have the deep pockets of Miami scenario, but you also had a school like Princeton making a run where you know those types of payments were not being made. The interesting thing about Pack is that, based on the side of the bracket they are on, Kansas State probably has a better chance of winning it all than Miami does. Wouldn't that be something. Oh yeah, it always came into play but it was something that you couldn't be that blatant about. Even the most egregious payments we knew about in the under the table pay for play days amounted to $250,000? tops and that was for guys who likely would have gone straight to the pros if not for the NBA rules. Pack got paid $400k this year as the 3rd or 4th best player on his team and likely a very slim shot at playing in the NBA. Just looking at thia from a non-sports fan perspective, we have a huge student loan debt issue in this country and the institutions that basically cause a large portion of this debt are setting up schemes to get millions of dollars a year into the pockets of people whose endeavors are being subsidized (through school fees at most institutions) by people who end up saddled with this debt. And at the end of the day they aren't offering much more value to the school because everything they generate gets fed back into them. Big time college basketball and football programs are now minor league teams. There has been a blurry line that was maintained for a long time with the whole "amateur" thing. I think the line is gone so now the question becomes, what value do these add to the educational mission of the school and at what point are they detracting from that. And I also agree with Swarbrick that many of these NIL collectives are fraudulent. People are deducting "charitable" donations to fund their local minor league sports team. That isn't real charity. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 8 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said: Oh yeah, it always came into play but it was something that you couldn't be that blatant about. Even the most egregious payments we knew about in the under the table pay for play days amounted to $250,000? tops and that was for guys who likely would have gone straight to the pros if not for the NBA rules. Pack got paid $400k this year as the 3rd or 4th best player on his team and likely a very slim shot at playing in the NBA. Just looking at thia from a non-sports fan perspective, we have a huge student loan debt issue in this country and the institutions that basically cause a large portion of this debt are setting up schemes to get millions of dollars a year into the pockets of people whose endeavors are being subsidized (through school fees at most institutions) by people who end up saddled with this debt. And at the end of the day they aren't offering much more value to the school because everything they generate gets fed back into them. Big time college basketball and football programs are now minor league teams. There has been a blurry line that was maintained for a long time with the whole "amateur" thing. I think the line is gone so now the question becomes, what value do these add to the educational mission of the school and at what point are they detracting from that. And I also agree with Swarbrick that many of these NIL collectives are fraudulent. People are deducting "charitable" donations to fund their local minor league sports team. That isn't real charity. Everything you say has merit. Not going to disagree with any of it. But, a least for me, the entertainment value of this year's tournament (save for IU's loss) has been at its highest level since the 1990's. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUCrazy2 Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, 5fouls said: Everything you say has merit. Not going to disagree with any of it. But, a least for me, the entertainment value of this year's tournament (save for IU's loss) has been at its highest level since the 1990's. People like the upsets and Cinderellas and this has definitely provided that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cthomas Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 12 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said: Oh yeah, it always came into play but it was something that you couldn't be that blatant about. Even the most egregious payments we knew about in the under the table pay for play days amounted to $250,000? tops and that was for guys who likely would have gone straight to the pros if not for the NBA rules. Pack got paid $400k this year as the 3rd or 4th best player on his team and likely a very slim shot at playing in the NBA. Just looking at thia from a non-sports fan perspective, we have a huge student loan debt issue in this country and the institutions that basically cause a large portion of this debt are setting up schemes to get millions of dollars a year into the pockets of people whose endeavors are being subsidized (through school fees at most institutions) by people who end up saddled with this debt. And at the end of the day they aren't offering much more value to the school because everything they generate gets fed back into them. Big time college basketball and football programs are now minor league teams. There has been a blurry line that was maintained for a long time with the whole "amateur" thing. I think the line is gone so now the question becomes, what value do these add to the educational mission of the school and at what point are they detracting from that. And I also agree with Swarbrick that many of these NIL collectives are fraudulent. People are deducting "charitable" donations to fund their local minor league sports team. That isn't real charity. Well said!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 22 minutes ago, Dawg Bawls said: I still dont like KSU cause of Weber,,, 🤷♂️ sorry KSU Even though its football, KSU did have Bill Snyder. Thats gives the university some redeeming qualities, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 24 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said: Even though its football, KSU did have Bill Snyder. Thats gives the university some redeeming qualities, Kansas State is the Purdue of the Big 12, and little bro to Kansas just as the Boilermakers are to IU... They've actually been to the Final 4 twice as many times as Purdue has, though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 hour ago, kyhoosier29 said: I had Alabama, Purdue (dumb), Texas, and UCONN in the final four. Did well on one side. Have Texas winning it. 🤷🏻♂️ I had Arizona, UCONN, Texas, Duke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoyeCowbell Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 5 hours ago, tdhoosier said: Is that Circa? Man, that sports book is impressive. Yep… it is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg Bawls Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 4 hours ago, mrflynn03 said: Even though its football, KSU did have Bill Snyder. Thats gives the university some redeeming qualities, No 😉.... KSU blew it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boiler Sam Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 4 hours ago, IUCrazy2 said: Oh yeah, it always came into play but it was something that you couldn't be that blatant about. Even the most egregious payments we knew about in the under the table pay for play days amounted to $250,000? tops and that was for guys who likely would have gone straight to the pros if not for the NBA rules. Pack got paid $400k this year as the 3rd or 4th best player on his team and likely a very slim shot at playing in the NBA. Just looking at thia from a non-sports fan perspective, we have a huge student loan debt issue in this country and the institutions that basically cause a large portion of this debt are setting up schemes to get millions of dollars a year into the pockets of people whose endeavors are being subsidized (through school fees at most institutions) by people who end up saddled with this debt. And at the end of the day they aren't offering much more value to the school because everything they generate gets fed back into them. Big time college basketball and football programs are now minor league teams. There has been a blurry line that was maintained for a long time with the whole "amateur" thing. I think the line is gone so now the question becomes, what value do these add to the educational mission of the school and at what point are they detracting from that. And I also agree with Swarbrick that many of these NIL collectives are fraudulent. People are deducting "charitable" donations to fund their local minor league sports team. That isn't real charity. I’ll bet the IRS agrees with you and Swarbrick on these “charitable donations”…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud2BAHoosier Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 18 hours ago, Steubenhoosier said: Regardless of the outcome, gotta love how Princeton competes I'm telling ya, it's the high BB IQ kids getting the job done!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 31 minutes ago, Boiler Sam said: I’ll bet the IRS agrees with you and Swarbrick on these “charitable donations”…. Yeah...it's likely not legit charity. More likely, deductions are being taken by businesses for advertising & marketing. Individuals with no business purpose are going to have to be very careful who they are donating to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 These collectives are a good example of why I only donate to the local food bank, goodwill, and the GOA being the only national organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Boiler Sam said: I’ll bet the IRS agrees with you and Swarbrick on these “charitable donations”…. They’re all over it 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boiler Sam Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 23 minutes ago, 13th&Jackson said: They’re all over it Luckily we have 87,000 more of these now! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drroogh Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 6 hours ago, IUCrazy2 said: Oh yeah, it always came into play but it was something that you couldn't be that blatant about. Even the most egregious payments we knew about in the under the table pay for play days amounted to $250,000? tops and that was for guys who likely would have gone straight to the pros if not for the NBA rules. Pack got paid $400k this year as the 3rd or 4th best player on his team and likely a very slim shot at playing in the NBA. Just looking at thia from a non-sports fan perspective, we have a huge student loan debt issue in this country and the institutions that basically cause a large portion of this debt are setting up schemes to get millions of dollars a year into the pockets of people whose endeavors are being subsidized (through school fees at most institutions) by people who end up saddled with this debt. And at the end of the day they aren't offering much more value to the school because everything they generate gets fed back into them. Big time college basketball and football programs are now minor league teams. There has been a blurry line that was maintained for a long time with the whole "amateur" thing. I think the line is gone so now the question becomes, what value do these add to the educational mission of the school and at what point are they detracting from that. And I also agree with Swarbrick that many of these NIL collectives are fraudulent. People are deducting "charitable" donations to fund their local minor league sports team. That isn't real charity. Look up Bobby Lowder and Auburn. Then look up Al Capone. The IRS and FEC will be the ones to eventually change things. For a while at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawatchHoosier Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 6 hours ago, IUCrazy2 said: People like the upsets and Cinderellas and this has definitely provided that. For diehard college basketball fans like us we love Cinderellas! I would argue that the average fan doesn’t and that final four viewer data shows that fans would prefer to watch blue bloods and P5 teams in the final four. https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/ncaa-final-four-ratings-history-most-watched-games-cbs-tbs-nbc/ Also, not to toot our own horn but Indiana still has the most watched game “The all-time record highs are a 24.1 rating and 35.1 million viewers for Michigan State-Indiana State on NBC in 1979.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, SawatchHoosier said: For diehard college basketball fans like us we love Cinderellas! I would argue that the average fan doesn’t and that final four viewer data shows that fans would prefer to watch blue bloods and P5 teams in the final four. https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/ncaa-final-four-ratings-history-most-watched-games-cbs-tbs-nbc/ Also, not to toot our own horn but Indiana still has the most watched game “The all-time record highs are a 24.1 rating and 35.1 million viewers for Michigan State-Indiana State on NBC in 1979.” I'll say it's the opposite reason Blue Bloods get ratings. It's not the average fan who is not tuning in. It's the fans of the Blue Bloods that don't watch when their team is not playing. I know for a fact that UK fans are some of the least educated college fans out there. And, I'm not talking about book smarts. They just don't watch basketball if UK isn't playing. I've worked with hundreds of them over the years, and they always ask me 'How's IU doing this year?' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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