IU Scott Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 Defense played well enough to win a lot of games but our offense has no identity. We were way to vanilla and have no idea what our padding game is supposed to accomplish. Seems like we have no real game plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronkonagurski Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 My thoughts on the game = 😴😴😴 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSaccamanno Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 Offense - I get that some of you are upset but they did what I thought they’d do. Focus on the run, put the QB in plus positions where we could develop them. Don’t overwhelm them and shatter them. We need more chunk plays and down field action with our receiving corps. But today wasn’t the day to unveil all that. You can’t win without doing that, and they know it. I think we will see more of that as the season unfolds. What looked like an uninspired game plan to me was actually pretty advanced. No turnovers, protect the QB. Put the O line in good positions. Yeah, no TDs either but you have two QBs who can develop and I honestly think both passed the eye test that they can be good qb’s at this level. That’s all still out there. Defense - lot of promise delivered. Will OSU score only 23 the rest of the season? Will Harrison be held in check like that? Lot of players really showed a lot out there. Lot more physical ability. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierFan997 Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 Lot of talk with the D Line, but pleasantly surprised by the secondary. Not a ton of experience there, but Toomer and Sharpe were pretty phenomenal today. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 1 hour ago, HoosierFan997 said: Lot of talk with the D Line, but pleasantly surprised by the secondary. Not a ton of experience there, but Toomer and Sharpe were pretty phenomenal today. Defense was great! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierFan997 Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 12 minutes ago, 5 championships said: Defense was great! Agreed, just need to figure out the QB position, as well as the overall scheme (I know, small asks!). Just an average offense might be good enough to get to 6 or more wins with the defense we saw today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 Cam Camper with a pretty telling post game answer to reporter's question about offense today. He paused a bit and said I'd rather not say. Again. I get the strategy but at some point you have to start throwing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artesian_86 Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 11 hours ago, BobSaccamanno said: Offense - I get that some of you are upset but they did what I thought they’d do. Focus on the run, put the QB in plus positions where we could develop them. Don’t overwhelm them and shatter them. We need more chunk plays and down field action with our receiving corps. But today wasn’t the day to unveil all that. You can’t win without doing that, and they know it. I think we will see more of that as the season unfolds. What looked like an uninspired game plan to me was actually pretty advanced. No turnovers, protect the QB. Put the O line in good positions. Yeah, no TDs either but you have two QBs who can develop and I honestly think both passed the eye test that they can be good qb’s at this level. That’s all still out there. Defense - lot of promise delivered. Will OSU score only 23 the rest of the season? Will Harrison be held in check like that? Lot of players really showed a lot out there. Lot more physical ability. Best post yet. Our offense, which didn’t look great, is being blasted because it didn’t score more against possibly and potentially, one of the top 3 defenses in the nation? I saw no turnovers, the QB’s had better protection and was able to move up and down the field at times. We just couldn’t finish drives. Last year, this game would have been 60-0. JMO. Go IU! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 Taking the dog out for morning walk. One Ohio St fan lives in the hood. Talked for a bit...livid would be an understatement haha. He said he couldn't believe Day wasn't taking more chances with their WR's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierFan997 Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Artesian_86 said: Best post yet. Our offense, which didn’t look great, is being blasted because it didn’t score more against possibly and potentially, one of the top 3 defenses in the nation? I saw no turnovers, the QB’s had better protection and was able to move up and down the field at times. We just couldn’t finish drives. Last year, this game would have been 60-0. JMO. Go IU! I don’t think anyone is blasting the offense just for not scoring, we are blasting it because the strategy was pretty horrendous and not really conductive to ever scoring. The idea we were going to be able to put up points almost running a Navy lite offense was a pretty poor one and there was never much of an adjustment. We never allowed Tayven or Sorsby to ever even try to get comfortable, and we mostly asked them both to throw out of 2 WR sets. I get the OSU defense is good, which is why we really needed some creativity on offense… not whatever we just saw. Edited September 3, 2023 by HoosierFan997 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDB Posted September 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 33 minutes ago, HoosierFan997 said: I don’t think anyone is blasting the offense just for not scoring, we are blasting it because the strategy was pretty horrendous and not really conductive to ever scoring. The idea we were going to be able to put up points almost running a Navy lite offense was a pretty poor one and there was never much of an adjustment. We never allowed Tayven or Sorsby to ever even try to get comfortable, and we mostly asked them both to throw out of 2 WR sets. I get the OSU defense is good, which is why we really needed some creativity on offense… not whatever we just saw. This. Watching an OSU podcast this morning, the co host was flaming Tom Allen saying the new commissioner of the Big Ten’s first act should be fining Tom Allen for not trying to win. Lol. It really was just a pathetic game plan. I don’t care that it’s Ohio State, play to win the freaking game.. Not cram it up the middle and run triple option for 3 downs and punt every drive just to hopefully keep it close. The Louisville game should be the first real indicator on what our offense is capable of accomplishing this year. Hopefully we can get both QB’s some confidence next week. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 3 hours ago, Artesian_86 said: Best post yet. Our offense, which didn’t look great, is being blasted because it didn’t score more against possibly and potentially, one of the top 3 defenses in the nation? I saw no turnovers, the QB’s had better protection and was able to move up and down the field at times. We just couldn’t finish drives. Last year, this game would have been 60-0. JMO. Go IU! I think everyone understands that we aren’t and shouldnt throw the ball 30 plus times…it’s the scheme and the creativity to get our best skill players the ball like Lucas in space that is lacking…you can have better creativity without taking a ton of risk. Running Lucas up the middle 5-10 times is not where he needs the ball..he needs to the ball on the perimeter where basically no one can tackle him 1 on 1…it really shouldn’t be that hard that’s the frustrating part. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 6 hours ago, HoosierFan997 said: I don’t think anyone is blasting the offense just for not scoring, we are blasting it because the strategy was pretty horrendous and not really conductive to ever scoring. The idea we were going to be able to put up points almost running a Navy lite offense was a pretty poor one and there was never much of an adjustment. We never allowed Tayven or Sorsby to ever even try to get comfortable, and we mostly asked them both to throw out of 2 WR sets. I get the OSU defense is good, which is why we really needed some creativity on offense… not whatever we just saw. It was all designed to prevent Indiana State from getting a look at our playbook 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted September 4, 2023 Report Share Posted September 4, 2023 Walt Bell did NOT.... False start on third and 1, force Tayven to run the wrong way on a beautiful draw play, or tell Coby to not turn up in time on a crosser that should have resulted in a 1st. 3 massive plays that had zero to do with coaching and everything to do with execution. The play calling was fine, when you take all factors into account. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted September 4, 2023 Report Share Posted September 4, 2023 Lucas is just as scary, dangerous... running the dive part of the option. You can't just make him the pitch option everytime... would be entirely too easy to read for the defense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iuthruandthru Posted September 4, 2023 Report Share Posted September 4, 2023 On 9/3/2023 at 10:20 AM, KDB said: This. Watching an OSU podcast this morning, the co host was flaming Tom Allen saying the new commissioner of the Big Ten’s first act should be fining Tom Allen for not trying to win. Lol. It really was just a pathetic game plan. I don’t care that it’s Ohio State, play to win the freaking game.. Not cram it up the middle and run triple option for 3 downs and punt every drive just to hopefully keep it close. The Louisville game should be the first real indicator on what our offense is capable of accomplishing this year. Hopefully we can get both QB’s some confidence next week. I said this all Saturday, the Louisville game will be the best test. First two games don’t really give us much of an understanding of where the team can be. Plus it’s the first game with a lot of new players. But it sure does feel like there was not a sense of urgency to win this first game and I don’t care who they’re playing that should never be the case. Is it sad I king of miss the days of ARE and Sudfeld? IU scoring and putting up decent offense at least gives you the false sense they can win. There was no sense of winning this weekend. I hope that is just because it was OSU and not the season to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierinbham Posted September 4, 2023 Report Share Posted September 4, 2023 4 hours ago, btownqb said: Walt Bell did NOT.... False start on third and 1, force Tayven to run the wrong way on a beautiful draw play, or tell Coby to not turn up in time on a crosser that should have resulted in a 1st. 3 massive plays that had zero to do with coaching and everything to do with execution. The play calling was fine, when you take all factors into account. Great points. I tend to believe CTA advised an offensive game plan that limited pressure on our new qb's, took time off the clock, and gave our defense much needed rest. He wanted a tractor pull, not a drag race. Don't kill the confidence of our young qb's, emphasize defense, and take some shots on offense without taking unnecessary risks. The execution on some of those shots just wasn't there yet. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted September 4, 2023 Report Share Posted September 4, 2023 I would rather play conservative with two new quarterbacks against a team that we had little chance to beat than to go balls to the wall and either have one get injured or lose any semblance of confidence. Long season and there are many more winnable games to be played 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-BONE Posted September 4, 2023 Report Share Posted September 4, 2023 So how long do they go with the two-headed QB before deciding on a definitive starter? I see where you can get by with it the first couple games. But, at the same time, it seems like they've had sufficient time to assess and define the roles. I can tolerate the ultraconservative offensive approach with OSU assuming we start seeing more diversity and more integration of playmakers. Is Bell really expecting to LEAN on the triple option business all season? Liked the D a lot. O-line didn't get completely dominated. There's some reason for hope. Hate to talk must wins this early, but it is IU football. Non-conference matchups have to be Ws. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted September 4, 2023 Report Share Posted September 4, 2023 33 minutes ago, Hoosierinbham said: Great points. I tend to believe CTA advised an offensive game plan that limited pressure on our new qb's, took time off the clock, and gave our defense much needed rest. He wanted a tractor pull, not a drag race. Don't kill the confidence of our young qb's, emphasize defense, and take some shots on offense without taking unnecessary risks. The execution on some of those shots just wasn't there yet. Right. If we convert those 3 plays.. we get, at least (barring TO), 9 more offensive plays.... The other thing that handcuffed Walt Bell was field position. We started multiple drives inside our own 20, and even own 10 yard line... Hard to take many risks on those spots on the field. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier987 Posted September 4, 2023 Report Share Posted September 4, 2023 Defense was much better that expected. Kudos to Andre Carter. Offense was completely unserious. Reminded me of the Matt LoVecchio days from 20 years ago. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierFan997 Posted September 4, 2023 Report Share Posted September 4, 2023 7 hours ago, btownqb said: Walt Bell did NOT.... False start on third and 1, force Tayven to run the wrong way on a beautiful draw play, or tell Coby to not turn up in time on a crosser that should have resulted in a 1st. 3 massive plays that had zero to do with coaching and everything to do with execution. The play calling was fine, when you take all factors into account. While that’s fair, handpicking a few plays doesn’t really excuse the complete lack of anything resembling an aggressive game plan for the offense. The defense played great and the offense overall looked more concerned with avoiding mistakes than keeping up with Ohio State. For as many plays you can point to that could have been more, there were a lot of examples of three straight hand offs and punt. I think you can tell by Allen and some player responses after the game (Camper for instance) that we were a bit too conservative for just about everyone involved. The personnel need to be better on offense, but so does Bell. I don’t think there’s any argument against that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted September 4, 2023 Report Share Posted September 4, 2023 Just realized this in today's presser. The takeaway belt IU was given to team by the McMahon family. Declan McMahon (Vince's grandson) is a running back on the team. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireBump Posted September 4, 2023 Report Share Posted September 4, 2023 I actually didn't mind the offensive game plan and think the shotgun option thing we have going can be successful against teams that do not have the same kind of athletes on defense. But a big reason our defense was able to be successful is because the offense took their time and while they may not have picked up many yards, they milked the clock and let the D catch their breath. In the first game of the season I think it was important not to get completely blown out and demoralized before approaching much more winnable games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted September 4, 2023 Report Share Posted September 4, 2023 4 hours ago, Hoosier987 said: Defense was much better that expected. Kudos to Andre Carter. Offense was completely unserious. Reminded me of the Matt LoVecchio days from 20 years ago. The last drive of the first half was mind numbing. Trailing 7-3 at home against heavily favored opponent. 1st down at OSU 45 with 2:10 to go. Do we take a shot? No, three conservative running plays leaves 4th and 4 with under a minute. OK, coaches decided to go into half trailing by 4? No, now we get aggressive and throw on 4th down. Incomplete stops the clock. Defensive penalty leads to field goal and OSU came close to a TD. Just awful 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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