tdhoosier Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 8 minutes ago, Bowhunter said: Maybe Conwell is butt hurt we didn’t go after him sooner as in previous years, high school, beginning of portal this year. Maybe it’s because he’s a high volume 3 point shooter and we don’t shoot 3’s at a high volume. He averaged a little over 7 attempts per game. In comparison, our highest volume shooter from 3 was MM; he averaged 4.6 attempts. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KDB Posted April 17 Popular Post Report Share Posted April 17 Kanaan Carlyle scouting report on 247 in HS, which projected him as an eventual first rounder: "Carlyle is a dynamic ball in hand player with terrific length for his size who can create scoring opportunities for himself on demand. He is simply wired to score from all three levels and never has seen a shot he does not like. His handle is as good and tight as anyone in the class and he can get by a defender with his speed and quickness. While he is primarily a scorer, he is terrific at making attacking plays off the dribble with his excellent handle and when the bucket opportunity does not present itself, he is more than willing to make the right find. What is better than his ability to score is his mindset. His mentality is elite as he is a tough and fierce competitor who is always in full attack mode. His constant aggression is what makes him positively productive. Defensively, he has the length and the foot speed to be elite and devastating on that side of the floor. A terrific two-way guard, Carlyle most certainly projects a reliable scorer who plays through most injuries and goes to war like each game is his last" 14 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledies22 Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 4 minutes ago, tdhoosier said: Maybe it’s because he’s a high volume 3 point shooter and we don’t shoot 3’s at a high volume. He averaged a little over 7 attempts per game. In comparison, our highest volume shooter from 3 was MM; he averaged 4.6 attempts. Of all the things, i dont think that's it. Conwell: "I want to shoot 7 threes a game." Woody: "Nope. You're only allowed 2." 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 5 minutes ago, tdhoosier said: Maybe it’s because he’s a high volume 3 point shooter and we don’t shoot 3’s at a high volume. He averaged a little over 7 attempts per game. In comparison, our highest volume shooter from 3 was MM; he averaged 4.6 attempts. Probably part of the negative recruiting DC2345 referenced 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 17 minutes ago, DC2345 said: IU doesn't make any sense for Conwell now for what he's looking for not to mention there is negative recruiting going against IU when it comes to the other teams involved with him. The reality is that Rice, Carlyle, Galloway, Mgbako, and Tucker will all be getting a lot of minutes and that's not counting any other guards/wings that will get minutes. IU will add a shooter or 2 but it won't be someone at the level of Conwell that's looking for a place to best set him up for an NBA opportunity. That's fine. I'd prefer Carlyle for the starting 2 guard spot, anyway. I think the whole of the INST project was greater than the parts. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 27 minutes ago, IUProfessor said: Is that because IU prioritized Carlyle over Conwell? Or did IU prioritize Carlyle only once it was apparent there wasn't going to be traction with Conwell? A bird in the hand is greater than 2 in the bush. Plus Carlyle is more proven at the high major level. People like to think he'll translate alright but nobody really knows for sure. Plus things got moving with Carlyle quicker. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 9 minutes ago, tdhoosier said: Maybe it’s because he’s a high volume 3 point shooter and we don’t shoot 3’s at a high volume. He averaged a little over 7 attempts per game. In comparison, our highest volume shooter from 3 was MM; he averaged 4.6 attempts. 3 minutes ago, 13th&Jackson said: Probably part of the negative recruiting DC2345 referenced That would be correct 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 33 minutes ago, IUProfessor said: Is that because IU prioritized Carlyle over Conwell? Or did IU prioritize Carlyle only once it was apparent there wasn't going to be traction with Conwell? I think Kanaan prioritized Indiana. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 13 minutes ago, tdhoosier said: Maybe it’s because he’s a high volume 3 point shooter and we don’t shoot 3’s at a high volume. He averaged a little over 7 attempts per game. In comparison, our highest volume shooter from 3 was MM; he averaged 4.6 attempts. 7 minutes ago, 13th&Jackson said: Probably part of the negative recruiting DC2345 referenced 3 minutes ago, DC2345 said: That would be correct I don't know if it's accurate, but there was some chatter that Hickman had concerns with IU's offense and his visit didn't dispel those concerns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post IUFLA Posted April 17 Popular Post Report Share Posted April 17 NBA Draft room assessment of Carlyle... NBA Draft Room Kanaan Carlyle POSITION: PG FROM: Stanford (Milton, GA) HT: 6-2 WT: 175 Draft Notes "Carlyle is an ultra-quick and explosive lead guard who flashes big time upside. He has an elite first step and blow-by ability and overall top end athleticism. He’ll need to keep getting stronger but he’s well on his way to having an NBA frame. Carlyle is a blur up and down the court and has an extra gear. He loves to push the pace and attack the rim or set up teammates in the open court. Has a nice pull-up game and can score 1on1, taking it all the way to the rim or getting into his mid range game. He’s a capable 3pt shooter but has a ways to go in terms of becoming a knock down threat from NBA range. But he’s young and we’ll see big improvements in his jumper over the coming years. On the defensive end Carlyle really gets after it pressuring the ball and using his elite quickness to disrupt in the passing lanes. Has all the tools to be a great defender at the next levels of play." I'll take that 🙂 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 (edited) 12 minutes ago, 13th&Jackson said: Probably part of the negative recruiting DC2345 referenced It’s not rocket science and it’s not some devious conspiracy. Just show him the stat sheet. He knows Ballo is coming in, thus the ball will be going into the post a lot. He knows he’d be sharing what’s left of those attempts with Mgbako. He’s at the top of my wish list, but that’s all it is at this point: a wish. This is just the way Woody plays. I’m sure they want the high volume/high percentage 3 point shooters many of us crave, but based on history and how our line up is shaping up, it’s going to be a hard sell. And it will continue to be a hard sell. Edited April 17 by tdhoosier 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 (edited) 3 minutes ago, 13th&Jackson said: I don't know if it's accurate, but there was some chatter that Hickman had concerns with IU's offense and his visit didn't dispel those concerns. Did he visit? Or did the staff go to his house because he lives in Bloomington? Either way, he went elsewhere. Edited April 17 by tdhoosier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maedhros Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 Came across these numbers while researching a different post. I'm excited for what Mackenzie Mgbako can do as a shooter with a full season under his belt. Turns out he and Carlyle share a crazy similar profile. Across three point percentage, attempts per game, attempts per 40 minutes, and percentage of field goal attempts that are taken from three, the two players are damn near identical. I haven't seen Carlyle play, but adding another Mgbako, plus that scouting report above, plus whatever he becomes as a sophomore, has me excited for what Carlyle can do for our spacing. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 1 minute ago, tdhoosier said: Did he visit? Or did the staff go to his house because he lives in Bloomington? Either way, he went elsewhere. He visited IU on Monday 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 5 minutes ago, 13th&Jackson said: I don't know if it's accurate, but there was some chatter that Hickman had concerns with IU's offense and his visit didn't dispel those concerns. He did have offense concerns but his biggest thing was role and Drew Adams relationship that already existed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledies22 Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 7 minutes ago, btownqb said: I think Kanaan prioritized Indiana. I think Carlyle and IU were already hot and heavy before Conwell even entered. No? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 Just now, ledies22 said: I think Carlyle and IU were already hot and heavy before Conwell even entered. No? Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 From ESPN on 4/15. Still looking for that elusive knockdown shooter. Indiana landed Rice, looking for others in portal Mike Woodson is wasting no time rebuilding his roster after a down year in Bloomington. The Hoosiers already landed Washington State's Myles Rice, one of the best point guards in the portal. Outlook: They're also expected to host Stanford's Kanaan Carlyle for a visit this week. Carlyle is a former top-50 recruit capable of explosive performances. Neither Rice nor Carlyle is a knockdown shooter, but Indiana is also pursuing Connor Hickman (Bradley) and Ryan Conwell (Indiana State) to fill that role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom White Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 21 minutes ago, btownqb said: I think the whole of the INST project was greater than the parts. That is the impression I got from watching them. Individually they were good, but not great. It was how they worked together that was impressive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Maedhros said: Came across these numbers while researching a different post. I'm excited for what Mackenzie Mgbako can do as a shooter with a full season under his belt. Turns out he and Carlyle share a crazy similar profile. Across three point percentage, attempts per game, attempts per 40 minutes, and percentage of field goal attempts that are taken from three, the two players are damn near identical. I haven't seen Carlyle play, but adding another Mgbako, plus that scouting report above, plus whatever he becomes as a sophomore, has me excited for what Carlyle can do for our spacing. One other thing to note, Carlyle shot 42% from 3 in his first 12 games (he missed the first 8 games of the season due to academic reasons) and only 21% in his last 11 games...maybe another "freshman wall" thing, and there are questions surrounding his shot selection, but he sounds and looks like (limited highlights) a really good player with an enormous upside...he's already on some NBA draft boards... Edited April 17 by IUFLA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUProfessor Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 Just now, IUFLA said: and there are questions surrounding his shit selection That is some next level scouting. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 12 minutes ago, IUFLA said: One other thing to note, Carlyle shot 42% from 3 in his first 12 games (he missed the first 8 games of the season due to academic reasons) and only 21% in his last 11 games...maybe another "freshman wall" thing, and there are questions surrounding his shot selection, but he sounds and looks like (limited highlights) a really good player with an enormous upside...he's already on some NBA draft boards... Kanaan was also very good (for a Pw5 FR) in catch and shoot/spot up opportunities. That was his strength, he struggled to be a lead guard, on a bad team, as a FR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maedhros Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 The fan reaction to Connor Essegian intrigues me. As a freshman he was a 36% shooter from three, on over 5 shots per game. The label of knockdown shooter was born. But last year he was only 30%. His minutes fell way off, but his 3P attempt rate actually went up, as though he knew he was in there to do one thing. So if he commits here, will we think we're getting the starter with good shooting percentage? Or are we getting the bench player who couldn't find that rhythm? Always fascinates me who gets called a Shooter and who doesn't. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reacher Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 Is there any reason to expect Carlyle not to commit this weekend? I'm assuming that is what he is waiting for. Not sure if will want to think it over for a few days, take another visit, etc, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iuhoopsfan90 Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 9 minutes ago, Maedhros said: The fan reaction to Connor Essegian intrigues me. As a freshman he was a 36% shooter from three, on over 5 shots per game. The label of knockdown shooter was born. But last year he was only 30%. His minutes fell way off, but his 3P attempt rate actually went up, as though he knew he was in there to do one thing. So if he commits here, will we think we're getting the starter with good shooting percentage? Or are we getting the bench player who couldn't find that rhythm? Always fascinates me who gets called a Shooter and who doesn't. Essegian was apparently dealing with a back injury much of the year last year. If that was the case, that certainly could have impacted his playing time and performance. I certainly believe he is better than his percentage last year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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