rico Posted October 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 5 hours ago, slojoe said: Dodgers go down in 10th and are eliminated by Nationals. No dog in the fight, but that was a bad piece of managing by Roberts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlboiler23 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 8 hours ago, Brass Cannon said: Out of curiosity does that count the one game series the they introduced in what 2012. If so I think it should have an asterisk. Yep they lost in the wildcard round in 2012 to the Cardinals. That was their only wildcard appearance though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, rico said: No dog in the fight, but that was a bad piece of managing by Roberts. And to me yet another case of a manager trying to appease a veteran star (Kershaw) by having him in a showcase situation. Maddon did it with Lester in game 7 of the 2016 World Series and it almost cost the Cubs. Gotta put the team first... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, rico said: No dog in the fight, but that was a bad piece of managing by Roberts. All day long. Roberts has some serious questions this off season to answer. Cool for Joe Maddon protege Martinez gets the Nats from 14 under to 1 series away from World Series. Braves just went Braves. They've thrown away more series than any team I can ever remember. Probably won't watch much if any but Nats/Cards probably isn't what most thought back in May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 Thought it was pretty smooth to film Schildt and his post game speech to players in locker room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlboiler23 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: Thought it was pretty smooth to film Schildt and his post game speech to players in locker room. I’m guessing Randy will get a talking to for sure. But love the passion from Shildt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 So do the Nats go with Scherzer on 3 days rest (after going 7 innings and 109 pitches in game 4 of the division series) or roll Anabelle Sanchez out there? Sanchez had 1 start vs the Cards this year, a 3-2 loss. 5 IP 3 ER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 30 minutes ago, IUFLA said: And to me yet another case of a manager trying to appease a veteran star (Kershaw) by having him in a showcase situation. Maddon did it with Lester in game 7 of the 2016 World Series and it almost cost the Cubs. Gotta put the team first... But it worked with Scherzer in game 2 5 days ago when Martinez brought him in the 8th....when he knew he was game 3 starter. I know you don't like Maddon but not everything is his fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: But it worked with Scherzer in game 2 5 days ago when Martinez brought him in the 8th....when he knew he was game 3 starter. I know you don't like Maddon but not everything is his fault. It can work, and in certain situations, I agree with it. But did you think Maddon pulling Hendricks after 4 2/3 iniings was a smart thing to do? It was so obvious that he was trying to get Lester a game 7 win, but it almost blew up in his face. I know Hendricks has always said the right things about getting pulled, but if I had gotten pulled with a 3 run lead after 4 2/3rds and 63 pitches, I'd have been pissed. And I'm sure he was. Just too classy to throw Joe under the bus. And I don't dislike Maddon...I just think he was kind of victim of his own success. He was not good for the Cubs the last 2 years. That said, yeah, I was happy to see him go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 16 minutes ago, IUFLA said: It can work, and in certain situations, I agree with it. But did you think Maddon pulling Hendricks after 4 2/3 iniings was a smart thing to do? It was so obvious that he was trying to get Lester a game 7 win, but it almost blew up in his face. I know Hendricks has always said the right things about getting pulled, but if I had gotten pulled with a 3 run lead after 4 2/3rds and 63 pitches, I'd have been pissed. And I'm sure he was. Just too classy to throw Joe under the bus. And I don't dislike Maddon...I just think he was kind of victim of his own success. He was not good for the Cubs the last 2 years. That said, yeah, I was happy to see him go... Hard to disagree with anything you said. We'll probably never know the absolute reasons for that move other than what was said. Time will tell if moving on from Maddon was a smart move. I agree something had to change. Only time will tell if this was a good move by Theo. Most of my angst though is on the players. They've under performed for the past 2 years. I put the onus more on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, rico said: No dog in the fight, but that was a bad piece of managing by Roberts. since I did not stay up to watch di they take Bueller out after 6 innings of shutout ball. If they did I was wondering why, because it is game 5 and should not care about pitch counts at the stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 Just a thought but is Dave Roberts job safe? Lose NLCS, Lose back to back World Series, Lose NLDS.....heck of a 4 year run but what to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 22 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: Hard to disagree with anything you said. We'll probably never know the absolute reasons for that move other than what was said. Time will tell if moving on from Maddon was a smart move. I agree something had to change. Only time will tell if this was a good move by Theo. Most of my angst though is on the players. They've under performed for the past 2 years. I put the onus more on them. I've been in management positions pretty much my entire adult life. Complacency is just as dangerous to any team as bad chemistry. And sometimes harder to fix. Maddon's kid gloves approach worked when the Cubs were a younger team. But when complacency rears its head, there has to be an accountability check in no uncertain terms, and I'm not sure that's Joe's strong suit. Plus losing leaders like Ross, Fowler, and Zobrist didn't help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: Just a thought but is Dave Roberts job safe? Lose NLCS, Lose back to back World Series, Lose NLDS.....heck of a 4 year run but what to do? Yes...if the Dodgers don't make the playoffs next year, I think his seat gets hot. Magic Johnson is not one to tolerate mediocrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 20 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: Just a thought but is Dave Roberts job safe? Lose NLCS, Lose back to back World Series, Lose NLDS.....heck of a 4 year run but what to do? https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/10/10/dodgers-nlds-game-5-loss-is-on-dave-roberts/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 minute ago, IUFLA said: Yes...if the Dodgers don't make the playoffs next year, I think his seat gets hot. Magic Johnson is not one to tolerate mediocrity. I actually don't think he makes it to next year. 4 years of missing the goal. Winning a weak division doesn't do much plus every decision in playoffs gets magnified. Maybe the ceiling has been reached? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 33 minutes ago, IU Scott said: since I did not stay up to watch di they take Bueller out after 6 innings of shutout ball. If they did I was wondering why, because it is game 5 and should not care about pitch counts at the stage. They took Walker out after 6 2/3 of 1 run ball and in a two-out jam. His pitch count was at 117. No problem with jerking him on my end. The problem was bringing in Kershaw who does not fare well in the play-offs and is a starter to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 19 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: I actually don't think he makes it to next year. 4 years of missing the goal. Winning a weak division doesn't do much plus every decision in playoffs gets magnified. Maybe the ceiling has been reached? I am with you, I think he is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, rico said: They took Walker out after 6 2/3 of 1 run ball and in a two-out jam. His pitch count was at 117. No problem with jerking him on my end. The problem was bringing in Kershaw who does not fare well in the play-offs and is a starter to boot. thanks, because when I went to bed it was in the 6th and he had 89 pitches so if they had just taken him out after the 6th I would have been upset. I have seen other managers bring in their best starters in relief in deciding games. I remember Randy Johnson coming in relief and Madison Bumgardner coming into game 7 of the world series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 minute ago, rico said: I am with you, I think he is gone. Well as a Reds fan I would take him in a heart beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, IU Scott said: thanks, because when I went to bed it was in the 6th and he had 89 pitches so if they had just taken him out after the 6th I would have been upset. I have seen other managers bring in their best starters in relief in deciding games. I remember Randy Johnson coming in relief and Madison Bumgardner coming into game 7 of the world series. Kershaw's career post-season ERA is more than double what his regular season career ERA is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, rico said: Kershaw's career post-season ERA is more than double what his regular season career ERA is. I think that the Dodgers bullpen has been struggling in the post season so maybe that was his thought on using Kershaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlboiler23 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, rico said: Kershaw's career post-season ERA is more than double what his regular season career ERA is. He’s 0-4 against STL with an ERA around 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, rico said: Kershaw's career post-season ERA is more than double what his regular season career ERA is. Strange for sure. Found this link....Kershaw mentioned and this was a 2016 article. 2 others that stood out to me was Maddux going 11-14 and Doc Gooden never winning one playoff game as a pitcher in 12 games/9 starts. He was 0-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 Haven’t heard from HTD recently, but sure that after last night he’d be all in for firing Roberts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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