IU Scott Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 13 minutes ago, rico said: The object to the game is to have "table setters". You got to get guys on base in order to score. The lead-off guy gets more PA's and and you want high OBP guys there. And the last time I checked Rizzo led off the game with a BB and scored on a Baez HR. I guess we will have to disagree on this topic. I want Rizzo or anyone with a power bat in the middle of the order driving in the runs. It is the organizations job to get the table setters to get on in front of those power hitters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, IU Scott said: I guess we will have to disagree on this topic. I want Rizzo or anyone with a power bat in the middle of the order driving in the runs. It is the organizations job to get the table setters to get on in front of those power hitters. Senzel bats lead off for the Reds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, rico said: Senzel bats lead off for the Reds? Yes because he will be the table setters and has sped to steal basis. If I was the manager of the Reds this would be my lineup 1) SENZEL- CF 2) WINKER- LF 3) SUERAZ- 3B 4) DETTRICH- 2B 5) PUIG- RF 6) VOTTO- 1B 7) INGLESIAS- SS 8) CASILLA- C 9) PITCHER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 19 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Yes because he will be the table setters and has sped to steal basis. If I was the manager of the Reds this would be my lineup 1) SENZEL- CF 2) WINKER- LF 3) SUERAZ- 3B 4) DETTRICH- 2B 5) PUIG- RF 6) VOTTO- 1B 7) INGLESIAS- SS 😎 CASILLA- C 9) PITCHER Iglesias and Casalli both have better on base percentages than Senzel and Winker. Based on that, wouldn't they be setting a more productive table in the 1 & 2 spots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 1 hour ago, IUFLA said: Well a walk a stolen base and cruising home via a Javy 2 run homer...sounds like it's working so far! 😉 Just like Joe drew it up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 45 minutes ago, IU Scott said: I guess we will have to disagree on this topic. I want Rizzo or anyone with a power bat in the middle of the order driving in the runs. It is the organizations job to get the table setters to get on in front of those power hitters. We had our table setter but he chose $ in St. Louis and a broken clubhouse over staying in Chicago. Ever since Fowler left we've been chasing. I go back and forth on importance of lead off guy. Just depends on the day and game. Today I'm fine with it so far. Tomorrow could be different. Haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 And that idiot that just sang in the 7th inning stretch at Wrigley should never, ever be invited back. Just sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 13 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Iglesias and Casalli both have better on base percentages than Senzel and Winker. Based on that, wouldn't they be setting a more productive table in the 1 & 2 spots? Don't let facts cloud "old school." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 Question for Reds fans. What happens when Gennett is healthy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Question for Reds fans. What happens when Gennett is healthy? My take...right here, right now is that he becomes a spot starter. He can play 3rd and the OF corner positions as well as his normal position. But that is me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 1 minute ago, rico said: My take...right here, right now is that he becomes a spot starter. He can play 3rd and the OF corner positions as well as his normal position. But that is me. I think I would want to see if the Scooter of the last two years is still out there and play him every day. If so, he immediately becomes our best hitter (Suarez is the better overall player). If healthy, he has to take ABs away from Winker, Votto, and Puig, doesn't he? Assuming management wants to win and are not simply playing Puig as trade bait and Votto because of his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, 5fouls said: I think I would want to see if the Scooter of the last two years is still out there and play him every day. If so, he immediately becomes our best hitter (Suarez is the better overall player). If healthy, he has to take ABs away from Winker, Votto, and Puig, doesn't he? Assuming management wants to win and are not simply playing Puig as trade bait and Votto because of his contract. I want Winker in as much as possible but yeah, Dietrich plays 1st. Scooter at 2nd. Puig is a lost cause(as I type) so Scooter can play there. I dunno, I want him healthy and then I will evaluate. But here it is June 7th and we are only 6 GB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Seeking6 said: We had our table setter but he chose $ in St. Louis and a broken clubhouse over staying in Chicago. Ever since Fowler left we've been chasing. I go back and forth on importance of lead off guy. Just depends on the day and game. Today I'm fine with it so far. Tomorrow could be different. Haha. Rizzo's line: 4 AB 2 walks, a hit, a run scored, and a stolen base...Rickey Henderson, move over! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted June 8, 2019 Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 Last night, Kepler led off for the Twins against Cleveland, who had won the first two games of the series. Lead off hitter went 4-4 with three home runs as Twins won 5-4. Not sure Rizzo matches that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted June 8, 2019 Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 21 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: Last night, Kepler led off for the Twins against Cleveland, who had won the first two games of the series. Lead off hitter went 4-4 with three home runs as Twins won 5-4. Not sure Rizzo matches that He didn't match Kepler's 0-21 before last night either 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted June 8, 2019 Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 The Reds are so frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted June 8, 2019 Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 6 hours ago, 5fouls said: Question for Reds fans. What happens when Gennett is healthy? Put Dettrich in the outfield for either Winker or Puig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 8 hours ago, 5fouls said: The Reds are so frustrating. You just figure that out? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted June 8, 2019 Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 20 hours ago, IU Scott said: I guess we will have to disagree on this topic. I want Rizzo or anyone with a power bat in the middle of the order driving in the runs. It is the organizations job to get the table setters to get on in front of those power hitters. Trouble is, the Cubs have a bunch of power bats...Bryant, Rizzo Baez, Contreas, Schwarber...and the guys without power aren't hitting well or don't have great OBPs. And they have very little speed. Which reminds me of a Tommy LaSorda line about, I think it was, Mike Sciocia's speed..."He'd finish third in a race with a pregnant woman." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 49 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Trouble is, the Cubs have a bunch of power bats...Bryant, Rizzo Baez, Contreas, Schwarber...and the guys without power aren't hitting well or don't have great OBPs. And they have very little speed. Which reminds me of a Tommy LaSorda line about, I think it was, Mike Sciocia's speed..."He'd finish third in a race with a pregnant woman." Scott wants a line-up that existed in 1982. The Cubs just aren't "built" that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted June 8, 2019 Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, rico said: Scott wants a line-up that existed in 1982. The Cubs just aren't "built" that way. No, they're not...but I wish they were a little more geared toward being able to manufacture runs. Using the old Earl Weaver philosophy of good pitching, defense, and wait for the 3 run homer will win you some games, but being able to make something out of not very much (walk, steal, hit and run) has its merits as well. Seeking6 is right...with Fowler at the top, the Cubs did that some... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted June 8, 2019 Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 20 minutes ago, IUFLA said: No, they're not...but I wish they were a little more geared toward being able to manufacture runs. Using the old Earl Weaver philosophy of good pitching, defense, and wait for the 3 run homer will win you some games, but being able to make something out of not very much (walk, steal, hit and run) has its merits as well. Seeking6 is right...with Fowler at the top, the Cubs did that some... And has been the topic of misery and conversation for us Cubs fans since he left. Cubs have made playoffs 4 straight years with Multiple Division Titles and World Series Championship. I'm not complaining about Theo on anything....but finding and keeping a leadoff guy is one of a couple of things I wish we could address...or at the very least find a guy and stick with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted June 8, 2019 Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 2 hours ago, IUFLA said: No, they're not...but I wish they were a little more geared toward being able to manufacture runs. Using the old Earl Weaver philosophy of good pitching, defense, and wait for the 3 run homer will win you some games, but being able to make something out of not very much (walk, steal, hit and run) has its merits as well. Seeking6 is right...with Fowler at the top, the Cubs did that some... Exactly because you need to be able to score in a various of ways and not just waiting for the homeruns. Look at the Reds they look good and score runs when they hit homeruns but when you are facing quality pitchers you will be shut down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted June 8, 2019 Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 2 hours ago, IU Scott said: Exactly because you need to be able to score in a various of ways and not just waiting for the homeruns. Look at the Reds they look good and score runs when they hit homeruns but when you are facing quality pitchers you will be shut down. There's probably a metric to explain that somewhere 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted June 8, 2019 Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 The Reds have lost two in the row scoring 3 runs in those two games. They just make some of the most mediocre pitchers look like Cy Young and the two Philadelphia pitchers they have faced are not name pitchers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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