rico Posted June 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Seeking6 said: Agree on every scenario you describe. I don't want to part with any of them honestly because of all the things you mentioned but it's going to take someone from this group, right? Unless you can convince a team that Montgomery or Chatwood is a starter again. Honestly no clue what to do but I know as we sit today. We're a playoff team...maybe a NLCS team... but not much more. Let me ask you this...aside from the relievers would the Cubs be interested in Madison Bumgarner? I imagine he is on the market as well. If the Cubs give up something major...I want something major in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slojoe Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 1 hour ago, IUFLA said: Happ, yeah...not sure he would be enough for either though. Struggling, average wise, in AAA, but has the power numbers and is versatile. Russell, sure, but again, not sure he alone would be enough considering the baggage. Schwarber? No way, but his IU roots probably expose my bias Heywood? He contributes Gold Glove defense, and has hit in spurts this year, but would the Giants take on that contract? I'm sure they'd ask the Cubs to pay some of it, and with the Rickett's guarding the wallet, I think Theo would have a tough sell. Almora? Boy with everything he brings, that would be tough for me to swallow. Only 25 and his defense and offensive potential would be tough. Why give any of these guys up for someone who essentially is going to do one thing -- get out big time lefties? It would be nice to get rid of Heyward's contract. Cubs have no outfielders who are top notch hitters. The offensive production of their outfield is very poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: Agree on every scenario you describe. I don't want to part with any of them honestly because of all the things you mentioned but it's going to take someone from this group, right? Unless you can convince a team that Montgomery or Chatwood is a starter again. Honestly no clue what to do but I know as we sit today. We're a playoff team...maybe a NLCS team... but not much more. I would doubt you would have to give up any of those players for a lefty reliever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, rico said: Let me ask you this...aside from the relievers would the Cubs be interested in Madison Bumgarner? I imagine he is on the market as well. If the Cubs give up something major...I want something major in return. I never say never with Theo. Couldn't imagine a scenario with that working but the likelihood of Cubs playing Dodgers in playoffs is very high...who wouldn't want Bumgarner on their team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, slojoe said: Why give any of these guys up for someone who essentially is going to do one thing -- get out big time lefties? It would be nice to get rid of Heyward's contract. Cubs have no outfielders who are top notch hitters. The offensive production of their outfield is very poor. Some of the Dodgers key hitters (Pederson, Muncy, Bellinger, Seager) are lefties. Brewers routinely run up 4-5 each game. It's a HUGE issue to get quality lefty relievers not only for regular season but for playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, IU Scott said: I would doubt you would have to give up any of those players for a lefty reliever Market is thin for quality lefty relievers. Making the price of guys like the two I mentioned going up each week until trade deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: Market is thin for quality lefty relievers. Making the price of guys like the two I mentioned going up each week until trade deadline. Looks like the Reds are going no where and they have some quality relievers since their bullpen is ranked 3rd in the MLB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: I never say never with Theo. Couldn't imagine a scenario with that working but the likelihood of Cubs playing Dodgers in playoffs is very high...who wouldn't want Bumgarner on their team. I was thinking a big package deal. But Madison is the ultimate prize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Looks like the Reds are going no where and they have some quality relievers since their bullpen is ranked 3rd in the MLB You guys can describe the Reds failure in the past about trading guys for future years better than I. Reds should try to max out their bullpen for years to come for prospects. They aren't winning the division this year or next or probably the year after that....but do what the Padres did and build a farm system loaded with prospects with the goal being 2021 and beyond. Just my two cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Looks like the Reds are going no where and they have some quality relievers since their bullpen is ranked 3rd in the MLB Rare you trade within the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, rico said: I was thinking a big package deal. But Madison is the ultimate prize. Wouldn't have to twist my arm but seems unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 Just now, Seeking6 said: Wouldn't have to twist my arm but seems unlikely. I dunno. The Giants are a team that will likely get pillaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 1 hour ago, rico said: Let me ask you this...aside from the relievers would the Cubs be interested in Madison Bumgarner? I imagine he is on the market as well. If the Cubs give up something major...I want something major in return. He'd probably be a rental, as he's only signed through this year ($8 million), so I wouldn't want to give up what we gave up for Chapman. Not sure who he would replace. Darvish? He essentially has the same numbers as Quintana, although I would like his post-season swag more. If we could get him cheap, sure. But I'd say the Giants will have more desperate suitors than the Cubs coming after him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 Fear the Reds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 Just now, 5fouls said: Fear the Reds! they would be great if their pitchers could shutout every opponent since it seems like they can' score over 2 runs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Seeking6 said: You guys can describe the Reds failure in the past about trading guys for future years better than I. Reds should try to max out their bullpen for years to come for prospects. They aren't winning the division this year or next or probably the year after that....but do what the Padres did and build a farm system loaded with prospects with the goal being 2021 and beyond. Just my two cents. The Reds main problem with their rebuild is that they absolutely got nothing in trades for Chapman, Cueto and Bruce. Most teams trading away great pitching usually gets at least one top prospect but the Reds got nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 2 hours ago, IU Scott said: The Reds main problem with their rebuild is that they absolutely got nothing in trades for Chapman, Cueto and Bruce. Most teams trading away great pitching usually gets at least one top prospect but the Reds got nothing. Castillo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 46 minutes ago, rico said: Castillo? What about him because he was not part of any of these trades. We got him from the Marlins for Dan Straily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 https://apple.news/Aj0QVHENXQhyV4Did10rWWA Great article about the Twins and why they are playing so well this year. Rocco Baldelli has to be on the short list for manager of the year. Maybe you Reds’ fans can start a grassroots movement to bring a similar laid back atmosphere to your clubhouse— Maybe Piniella?🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 Cubs/Rockies getting a little heated. Hamels just plunked Arenado. For the backstory. Bryant was hit by Rockies last year causing him to miss several games. During Tuesday's game he was two more times causing him to miss today. Hamels plunked Arenado and he starts yapping. Tell your staff to stop hitting our guys buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 And now Hamels gets hit in the leg while batting. Funny part before he took the box he nodded like he knew it was coming. Got hit. Ran to first. As a pitcher. Take note Arenado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 Rizzo got hit. Stole second and tried to steal 3rd up 8-0 after Rockies BS....and Javy sends a shot about 8,000 feet on next pitch. Umps lost control of this one.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 Sounds like the Ortiz shooting was a $8,0000 hit according to the CBS news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Steubenhoosier said: https://apple.news/Aj0QVHENXQhyV4Did10rWWA Great article about the Twins and why they are playing so well this year. Rocco Baldelli has to be on the short list for manager of the year. Maybe you Reds’ fans can start a grassroots movement to bring a similar laid back atmosphere to your clubhouse— Maybe Piniella?🤣 At this point, I'd think it's a 2 horse race between Baldelli and Kevin Cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Steubenhoosier said: https://apple.news/Aj0QVHENXQhyV4Did10rWWA Great article about the Twins and why they are playing so well this year. Rocco Baldelli has to be on the short list for manager of the year. Maybe you Reds’ fans can start a grassroots movement to bring a similar laid back atmosphere to your clubhouse— Maybe Piniella?🤣 Sweet Lou ruined the Reds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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