rico Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 I wonder how many people "cheat" on their income taxes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, rico said: A lot of what Bonds and McGwire did was within MLB's rules at the time.Ā I don't/didn't like it.Ā Ā And some wasn't...It robbed people of their legacy (Griffey Jr, Maris)... And in answer to your other statement, no, I've never cheated on my taxes.Ā But, hey, as long as people who don't think integrity in life matters, if you can sleep peacefully at night, good on you... Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, IUFLA said: And some wasn't...It robbed people of their legacy (Griffey Jr, Maris)... And in answer to your other statement, no, I've never cheated on my taxes.Ā But, hey, as long as people who don't think integrity in life matters, if you can sleep peacefully at night, good on you... Ā You need to define integrity along with moral compasses...becauseĀ what I see in the realm of college sports aintĀ working for us on the hardwood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 13 minutes ago, FW_Hoosier said: Tell that to 8 out of the last 12 national champions (at least). And one has a "vacated" next to their name...You want that for IU? You think people look at the UNC academic stuff and don't ridicule that? I presume you're saying that Virginia and Villanova are the only ones that are (supposedly) clean? Well, why not shoot for that? Wouldn't that be a welcome alternative to skirting the rules? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Just now, rico said: You need to define integrity along with moral compasses...becauseĀ what I see in the realm of college sports aintĀ working for us on the hardwood. Come on man...I don't need to define those for you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Just now, IUFLA said: Come on man...I don't need to define those for you... I know them well, but apparently NCAAB doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, rico said: I know them well, but apparently NCAAB doesn't. Maybe not...I'm just not a big fan of championships or records with asterisks, question marks, or stains next to them... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Maybe not...I'm just not a big fan of championships or records with asterisks, question marks, or stains next to them... Then we continue to be where we are at...unless a light goes on in some musty backroom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, rico said: Then we continue to be where we are at...unless a light goes on in some musty backroom. How did Wright and Bennett accomplish it then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, IUFLA said: How did Wright and Bennett accomplish it then? We like to think they did it the "right way", but history isn't done writing itself yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 minute ago, rico said: We like to think they did it the "right way", but history isn't done writing itself yet. Guilty until proven innocent? I know that's popular today, but you won't get me to believe for one minute that you feel that way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Guilty until proven innocent? I know that's popular today, but you won't get me to believe for one minute that you feel that way... At one time I believed Duke ran a clean program... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 hours ago, FW_Hoosier said: Ā You said hereĀ that Illinois is only good either because Underwood didnāt develop Dosunmu and Cockburn, or because he got just gotĀ lucky they stayed because of COVID. Ā So which is it in your mind? Ā AndĀ youāve been on the crusadeĀ that Underwood sucks and is going to be hurt in recruiting because he couldnāt develop Dosunmu into a pro for more thanĀ a year now, lol. Underwoodās done a better job at Illinois thanĀ Archie has at IU because heās recruited better than Archie and won more than Archie. Ā As desperate as IU fans are right now to act like winningĀ actually doesnāt matter at all in college basketball, you really donāt have to look at anything beyond the fact that Illinois is on pace for two top five finishes in the conference in the past two seasons and IU hasnāt been anywhere close to that. Ā Then you have the fact that Underwood had that success after heĀ changed his system when heĀ realizedĀ itĀ wasnāt going to cut it in the Big TenĀ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/court-report-illinois-is-ncaa-tournament-bound-because-brad-underwood-admitted-defeat-and-changed-his-style/amp/). Ā Itās looking more likely that pigsĀ will fly thanĀ Archie will considerĀ doing something likeĀ that. And yes, I am clearly on the record that I do not care at all about ācheatingā in college basketball recruiting. Ā Iād be thrilled to have a coach who was allowed to do whatever it takes to put a winning team on the floor, soĀ the Stephen F. Austin/Oklahoma State stuff is irrelevant to me. Ā Underwood at UI- 62-54 Archie at IU 66-52 For your last paragraph that is what is wrong with this fan base becauseĀ Ā no IU fan should ever want cheating done here. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 hours ago, FW_Hoosier said: This mentality is exactly why IU is where it is right now, and things arenāt going to change until itās been abandoned by the university and the fanbase.Ā Ā Iām a firm believer in the proposition that cheatingĀ in college basketball recruiting is the exact equivalent of speeding on the highway. Ā There are no penaltiesĀ and everyone does it. Ā CollegeĀ basketball isĀ entertainment, pure and simpleĀ ā as long as no oneās getting hurt, I could care less about āintegrity.ā Ā I mightĀ feelĀ differently if paying recruits wasnāt a foundational aspect of the entire sport from pretty much its inception, or if there were actual consequences for ābreaking the rules.ā Again this kind of thinking is why this fan base has went to the crapper the last 15 or so years.Ā There is no way any longtime IU fan would ever have this line of thinking and it is embarrassing.Ā 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 hours ago, IUFLA said: I digested it and puked it up... It's BS pure and simple...Cheating is not ok... Amen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 hours ago, FW_Hoosier said: Tell that to 8 out of the last 12 national champions (at least). I would rather never win another championship if it means cheating 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 hours ago, rico said: A lot of what Bonds and McGwire did was within MLB's rules at the time.Ā I don't/didn't like it.Ā Ā And that is the reason that they are not in the HOF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 hour ago, IU Scott said: I would rather never win another championship if it means cheating FortunatelyĀ for you, Iām sureĀ IUās administrationĀ will make sure you get your wish.Ā Enjoy the losing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceDouglas Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, Seeking6 said: Just a general comment from this IU fan. For the life of me can we please stop saying Underwood at Illinois is building a good program? Half his fan base wanted him fired last year after losses to Miami and Missouri. The only reason they aren't battling Maryland and Northwestern for records this year is because Ayo was A)not developed enough to still get drafted B) Covid hit and C)Kofi wasn't developed enough or D) Covid hit... Underwood is the recipient of some very lucky times....but please don't anyone think he's developing a program. Antigua went back to his ways. Got Kofi out of nowhere when the fanbase wanted him gone. When Antigua leaves again....Illinois will go back to the 6-14 ways. PS...Underwood. Stephen F, Kansas St, Oklahoma St...and I can say 50/50 right now on when Illinois lands in trouble. The guy isn't changing his spots.Ā Rant over. Sorry.Ā Ā 15 hours ago, Stlboiler23 said: Oh no doubt. Definitely shady as shit. When I saw they hired Antigua I laughed. Slimy AF.Ā Laughable to actually throw shade at Illinois about player development with All Americans Ayo and Kofi when Archie has done absolutely nothing with TJD and in fact he's gotten worse! Has developed ZERO offense outside of 2' from the hoop. But hey, maybe Archie will have "very lucky" times and he'll come back for another season. BTW, all the continued references to SFA, OSU and KSU just reveal your complete cluelessness. This coming from fans ofĀ the program that hired Sampson and Crean! And even the Purdue toady agrees...love it!Ā Edited February 17, 2021 by BruceDouglas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsidehoosier Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 13 minutes ago, BruceDouglas said: Ā Laughable to actually throw shade at Illinois about player development with All Americans Ayo and Kofi when Archie has done absolutely nothing with TJD and in fact he's gotten worse! Has developed ZERO offense outside of 2' from the hoop. But hey, maybe Archie will have "very lucky" times and he'll come back for another season. BTW, all the continued references to SFA, OSU and KSU just reveal your complete cluelessness. This coming from fans ofĀ the program that hired Sampson and Crean! And even the Purdue toady agrees...love it!Ā I forgot about Illinois spotless history of athletic compliance: https://www.thechampaignroom.com/platform/amp/2018/6/10/17422638/slush-fund-scandal-pay-for-play-illini-football-ncaa-pete-elliot-ole-miss https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-11-07-sp-3936-story.html?_amp=true Ā Ā 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 45 minutes ago, BruceDouglas said: Ā Laughable to actually throw shade at Illinois about player development with All Americans Ayo and Kofi when Archie has done absolutely nothing with TJD and in fact he's gotten worse! Has developed ZERO offense outside of 2' from the hoop. But hey, maybe Archie will have "very lucky" times and he'll come back for another season. BTW, all the continued references to SFA, OSU and KSU just reveal your complete cluelessness. This coming from fans ofĀ the program that hired Sampson and Crean! And even the Purdue toady agrees...love it!Ā Purdue West checks in... Ā 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 hour ago, FW_Hoosier said: FortunatelyĀ for you, Iām sureĀ IUās administrationĀ will make sure you get your wish.Ā Enjoy the losing! Well who says who can't win and do it the right way like Villanova and UVA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 38 minutes ago, southsidehoosier said: I forgot about Illinois spotless history of athletic compliance: https://www.thechampaignroom.com/platform/amp/2018/6/10/17422638/slush-fund-scandal-pay-for-play-illini-football-ncaa-pete-elliot-ole-miss https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-11-07-sp-3936-story.html?_amp=true Ā Ā āWhat impressed you the most about Illinois?ā āThe playersā parking lotā Jud Heathcote Ā 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 42 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Purdue West checks in... Ā You knew it was only a matter of time....lots of Illini lurkers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceDouglas Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 4 hours ago, southsidehoosier said: I forgot about Illinois spotless history of athletic compliance: https://www.thechampaignroom.com/platform/amp/2018/6/10/17422638/slush-fund-scandal-pay-for-play-illini-football-ncaa-pete-elliot-ole-miss https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-11-07-sp-3936-story.html?_amp=true Ā Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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