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Ok, I guess it's impossible that hospitals could be admitting more Covid patients than normal / necessary to make some $ to help them recover from the losses they incurred earlier this year. Thanks for the well reasoned dialogue on that issue.

Not sure how that helps. I'm tired of people (not necessarily you) attacking the source and ignoring the content. Assume it was your favorite. Most reputable source. Can you see this happening?

I came across this and thought it seems believable. The question is how widespread of an issue is this? I know some will summarily dismiss it. But I am sure it is happening at more than just the one hospital below. Explains higher hospital capacities and drives more lockdowns. Worth digging into further. "From what I'm hearing from the front line, a not insignificant number of admissions are of folks who would not have been admitted in March when there was fear of both the unknown and systemic failure and, not coincidently, when COVID diagnoses didn't pay as much. Today, the admission criteria for COVID is so much more flexible than for standard diagnoses like CHF, and pays so much better than other diagnoses that our 'healthcare' system is rapidly becoming a 'COVID care' system. The surge in hospitalizations and subsequent COVID-identified deaths may be driven, in part, to health systems adapting to new COVID revenue streams. This would seemingly be good news, after all if it's the hospital administrator's desire to fill empty beds that's driving admissions rather than infection rates, then systemic failure can be averted through moderating those admission rates based on system capacity. If your hospital fills up, just start sending the marginal cases home--inpatient/outpatient; the outcome for the patient will be pretty much the same and you've made as much money as your capacity will allow."

Nothing new here but puts some numbers to what was long suspected- For example, on Feb 17, they reported less than half of their deaths. https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/30/asia/wuhan-china-covid-intl/index.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top

Stopped at Costco tonight. They had more GIBC. Snagged another Caramella and 2of the original. Their prices much lower. $9.99 for the original and $16 or so for the flavored ones. They only had 3 of the flavors. Limit 1 of those. Limit of 2 for the original. They had a lot.

Usually people line up at Binnys for these. This year they had a lottery. My local grocery store was one of the outlets this year which is where I went. There were 20 people in line by 7am. I was tenth and got the last bottle of one of the varieties. Price varied from, I think, $16.99 - $26.99. I'm excited to try one. They rank a 100 on Beer Advocate with 13,000+ reviews.

I think I have all 6 variations- just not the original. I'm really looking forward to the Caramella one. I'm going to try and save 1 or 2 for future years. The Kentucky fog is made with tea. Do you think that flavor will be very noticeable? I'm not a tea drinker so maybe I'll gift that one to my brother. All of sudden, I'm down to 3. I've never spent anywhere near $150 on a 6 pack before. Told my wife I just did her Christmas shopping for me. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2020/11/26/black-friday-2020-goose-islands-bourbon-county-stouts-beer/6399250002/

OK, I need your help. Just scored a six pack. 6 of the 7 different 2020 releases. I see you can sell the empty bottles on ebay. My problem is how am I going to decide which one to drink and when? One says it will continue to age for 5 years so I can stash that one away. 1 for the New Years Day bowl game. How long have you been drinking the GI Bourbon County and do you just save for special occasions?

One of the stores by me is advertising they are one of the few that will have the new release available tomorrow. Was planning on running over to try and get some

HCQ back in the news- https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/study-finds-84-fewer-hospitalizations-for-patients-treated-with-controversial-drug-hydroxychloroquine

I hope @rico wasn't your inspiration. Maybe we should start a lean to addition thread.

NYT says spread is thru air and not surfaces- https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/18/world/asia/covid-cleaning.html?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/italy-did-everything-right-to-stop-a-second-wave-of-the-coronavirus-so-what-went-wrong Good question here. Why is this happening despite following all the recommendations of the "experts"? "What's particularly troubling about the return of COVID in Italy is that the country has done everything experts like Dr. Anthony Fauci have been advising. Face masks in public places have been compulsory for months, social distancing is strongly enforced, nightclubs have never reopened, and sporting arenas are at less than a third of capacity. Children who are back at school are regularly tested and strictly social-distanced, and yet, the second wave seems completely unstoppable." We were told for months to be more like Europe and now their cases are as high as ever.

There was some talk about NY reaching some level of herd immunity earlier. We'll see how this plays out-

+1 for masks ! https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6947e2.htm?s_cid=mm6947e2_w

https://www.politico.com/states/new-jersey/story/2020/11/18/unicef-schools-are-not-main-drivers-of-covid-among-kids-1337119

But you linked it, you must be advocating it

"New evidence suggests that just 17% of those infected with COVID-19 will experience no symptoms, according to Nature, citing a meta-analysis of 13 studies published last month which involved 21,708 people. What's more, asymptomatic individuals are 42% less likely to transmit the virus than those with symptoms." https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03141-3?utm_source=Nature+Briefing&utm_campaign=dfed4a7f39-briefing-dy-20201119&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c9dfd39373-dfed4a7f39-45171750

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-11-19/what-a-95-effective-covid-vaccine-means

I have been interested in Covid from the beginning. I'm relatively healthy and, while now in my 50s, am not terribly worried about getting it myself. I have the flexibility to work from home. I wear the masks primarily because it is required in any of the places I go. I'm not going to be a rebel and not wear one. If it helps me, great. If others feel more comfortable or protected, great. I post info that I come across that I find interesting. Sometimes on the economic side as I come across that regularly. Other times pieces that I don't think others are likely to have seen and therefore might find valuable. I was going to post notice of the Pfizer vaccine but someone beat me to it. I find value in some of the studies out there that challenge the conventional wisdom. That is one way to learn. I do believe people should be responsible for themselves. Yes, there are stupid people out there that send their kids to school with the virus. I get it. I don't think state wide lockdowns that destroy lives and businesses are the answer, though. I think that the more people are educated, the better decisions they can make for themselves- and others. There is much to be learned about this. My father is 80+ in a high risk group. He should be taking precautions. A 8 year old going to school and 26 yr old athlete don't seem to have nearly that risk. I don't get the need to punish them. Or a business owner that is taking all reasonable precautions. I have asked repeatedly today whether Covid is transmitted via aerosols. I believe it is. So does Time magazine- https://time.com/5883081/covid-19-transmitted-aerosols/. If this is truly the case, it can travel 100 feet and get in through and around masks. This passes the common sense test to me as many people that get Covid say they do wear masks. The recent Marine and Danish studies showed people can get it while wearing a mask. How? Rather than saying masks are bad, I'd argue they are possibly of limited value and we should concentrate our efforts in other areas. Have people take vitamin D, invest in far-uvc light and other remedies to see if they help. People like to pretend that the WHO, CDC, Fauci and all these experts never said that masks were of limited help. They did and there are studies that support that. What changed? Where are the studies that prove non N95 masks stop covid? Other viruses? Aerosols?

Gotcha. Most likely place to spread?

Do you believe the virus spreads as an aerosol? Is that even possible?

With such good compliance in your area, why is positivity rising? Do you believe the virus spreads as an aerosol? Is that even possible?

I did read it and understand its no where near a highly scientific study. Doesn't mean that I don't give it some credence. I Actually told my father a few minutes ago to limit even more his trips to the store. Like masks, it can't hurt. What else would you expect the head of the retail consortium to say?

Masks seem to be a big issue now. I'm not espousing not wearing masks. I also do not see this as political. I'm not an anti masker and wear one religiously. Here is a lead article on Drudge today- https://www.the-sun.com/news/1826530/supermarkets-most-common-place-catch-covid/ saying supermarkets are the leading cause of spread. Even though all supermarkets require masks. The spread of Covid is picking up to an all time high and there is a lot of news out there. I wish we could focus on that instead of trying to drag in politics.