rico Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, BGleas said: Gotta agree with you on this. I hate when stuff like this happens and people try to equate to if the same thing happened in their office or something. It's not the same thing. Your (i mean generally, not you specifically) accounting office is not the same thing as a high major college or professional athletic venue. There is no correlation, they're completely different things. Let me ask this: How would the law look at this incident if it happened outside of a sports arena? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, rico said: Let me ask this: How would the law look at this incident if it happened outside of a sports arena? A lot differently. In a normal office, you might get taken out in handcuffs for the slap punch. The sports arena is different and gets treated as such. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 Just now, BGleas said: A lot differently. In a normal office, you might get taken out in handcuffs for the slap punch. Perhaps, but the "grabber" would face consequences as well. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 24 minutes ago, btownqb said: Howard 5 Gard 1 UW assistant 3 Truthfully, I can't see what player threw what, any player throwing a punch gets 3. I wouldn't worry about anything else from the players. Also, the UW coach that threw up the "suck it" sign. Yeah, he gets at least a game. That was bizzare. Seems reasonable to me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 Just now, rico said: Perhaps, but the "grabber" would face consequences as well. Probably written up by HR or something. Like I said, Gard should maybe/probably get a game to Howard's 5ish games. But again, the sports arena is not the same thing as the offices or jobs the rest of us work in. Things are treated and handled much differently. Alway have, always will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 Gard clearly instigated and Wisky is a punk team. That said, as was previously pointed out, this is really Howard's second offense. Although he didn't slap anyone against MD last year (he was restrained), he was verbally and physically threatening and nearly got his players involved in an altercation that time. Not a good example to lead a team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 17 minutes ago, kyhoosier29 said: Don’t take this offensively, just giving an opinion. I think we’ve gotten so soft in society. I agree. I saw Howard try to hug Krabbenhoff and he wa a just a bit too far to reach, then a melee broke out 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 Gard and the UW asst yapping forgot JH is 6'10 with a go-go gadget arm reach. JH reaches across 3 dudes to slap the UW guy. 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo123 Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 Howard is punk and this is his second incident he should be fired immediately. Michigan is state that has always been riddled with scandal, So I look for nothing on that end and or from the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said: No, you call the games tight as heck until coaches realize that thug ball is going to result in their best players being on the bench 5 minutes into the first half. You also have the power after games to review plays and take disciplinary action after the fact. Take Davison for instance, in the past two weeks you have him "accidentally" punching a player in the mouth hard enough to draw blood and hitting another guy in the nuts. To me, you come back after the games and say he has a pattern of unsportsmanlike behavior and you sit him. And I would make those punishments cumulative. He got suspended for the same crap last year so I would make the suspension worse based on a pattern of behavior. Taunting opposing benches or the crowd after games? Warnings to begin with and then start suspending guys. It is not hard to reestablish control if you have the will to do so. And if guys like Izzo cry, tough sh*t. Learn to play within the rules or be forced to coach without several of your players each half. Good point. The transition would be ugly as hell. It'd be worth it though - this has need to happen for years. The standards need to be reset. If this is the end result then I'm glad this whole thing happened. I hope it's a black eye for the conference and puts them under a magnifying glass. I unfortunately have no confidence the officiating will change any time soon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 14 minutes ago, BGleas said: Gotta agree with you on this. I hate when stuff like this happens and people try to equate to if the same thing happened in their office or something. It's not the same thing. Your (i mean generally, not you specifically) accounting office is not the same thing as a high major college or professional athletic venue. There is no correlation, they're completely different things. I am not sure if I posted this or not. Lost connection. What Gard did happens everyday in college basketball. We just don't ways see it. What Howard did almost never happens 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 12 minutes ago, btownqb said: Also, UW you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. They couldn't keep their mouths shut after a win and now you're going to have multiple coaches and players suspended. 100% this was made possible by UW not thinking anyone would call their bluff on their BS. If you talk s***, you might get hit. 🤷♂️ Howard was like 99% in the wrong, but, when you act like a b****, don't be surpised when you get smacked lol all I'm saying. Gards stupid af for trying to start a conversation at that point too. There was no "hands on" though, that stuff happens all the time. Zero chance Howard should have felt threatened. Howard also chose to be THAT upset about a timeout. Both are absolute fools. Thank you! That was one of my points early on. Wisconsin absolutely brings this on themselves by constantly playing agitators. If you seek to constantly piss people off and get under their skin, don’t be surprised when you get hit in the mouth. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02Hoosier Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 30 minutes ago, btownqb said: Howard 5 Gard 1 UW assistant 3 Truthfully, I can't see what player threw what, any player throwing a punch gets 3. I wouldn't worry about anything else from the players. Also, the UW coach that threw up the "suck it" sign. Yeah, he gets at least a game. That was bizzare. Agreed, people are talking way too much about Gard and not the assistant. I’m sure there’s a reason Howard went after him and not Gard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 14 minutes ago, NCHoosier32 said: on a related note... i definitely may be wrong, but interested what people have to say about this...how often is a guy who gets his first head coaching job at a big program only by his name, but a resume that does not deserve it successful? my memory is horrible and i'm only thinking of a few, but Hardaway, Ewing, Howard, Mullin pop into my mind quickly as not exactly showing they were ready for the job they got. I don’t know if that’s fair to group Howard with those guys. He had been an assistant in the NBA and had been a guy rumored for NBA jobs. He’s also been successful and made a Final Four already. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaHoosierFan Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, 02Hoosier said: Agreed, people are talking way too much about Gard and not the assistant. I’m sure there’s a reason Howard went after him and not Gard. I was just about to post, i wonder what the assistant said that really set off Howard that he needed to throw a punch/slap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Billingsley99 said: I am not sure if I posted this or not. Lost connection. What Gard did happens everyday in college basketball. We just don't ways see it. What Howard did almost never happens Ok, but, it was pretty clear Howard didnt want any part of it. He doesn't owe Gard anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: I don’t know if that’s fair to group Howard with those guys. He had been an assistant in the NBA and had been a guy rumored for NBA jobs. He’s also been successful and made a Final Four already. I think Howard is a darn good coach. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 Just now, btownqb said: Ok, but, it was pretty clear Howard didnt want any part of it. He doesn't owe Gard anything. True, but then Gard disengaged and backed off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 Just now, btownqb said: I think Howard is a darn good coach. Same. He’s phenomenal and I think would be one of the more likely coaches in the conference that could find success outside of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, btownqb said: Ok, but, it was pretty clear Howard didnt want any part of it. He doesn't owe Gard anything. Where did I say he did. They both knew when the horn sounded words were going to.be exchanged if either wanted no part of it just walk away. No.rule says you have to shake hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 Just now, BGleas said: True, but then Gard disengaged and backed off. Are we talking about between the start of the "discussion" and when the slap happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: I don’t know if that’s fair to group Howard with those guys. He had been an assistant in the NBA and had been a guy rumored for NBA jobs. He’s also been successful and made a Final Four already. Howard has never been to a Final Four as a coach...only as a player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, BGleas said: True, but then Gard disengaged and backed off. And so did Howard. And then Krabbenoff came into the middle of things. The whole thing probably dies down if he stays in his lane. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Billingsley99 said: Where did I say he did. They both knew when the horn sounded words were going to.be exchanged if either wanted no part of it just walk away. No.rule says you have to shake hands So, why did Gard not understand that was a poor decision? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, IUFLA said: Howard has never been to a Final Four as a coach...only as a player My bad - Elite Eight. I had a brain fart remembering the UCLA game last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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