5fouls Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 8 hours ago, KoB2011 said: To me you're highlighting why looking at just shooting percentages doesn't come close to telling the whole story. If we had Al starting right now I think we have 3-5 more wins. I agree with you. I love Al. All I am saying is he found a better environment to win. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyhoosier29 Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, rico said: The whole story is that Al is playing for a helluva lot better coach than Archie. Better coach makes Al look better? His individual offensive numbers are mediocre at best. What he brings to the defensive end and the locker room is the bigger piece I’m guessing. The team fits his shortcomings better where we were relying on him to be a scorer. Edited February 27, 2022 by kyhoosier29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 So did Notre Dame finally become a quality win? Looks like with them moving into top 50 they did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 I don't quite understand the logic here... Our defense is one of the best in the Big 10...Al was never anything more than an adequate defender who regularly got beat off the dribble...he lacked the strength to compete with upper tier Big 10 guards...whose spot would he take? Certainly not XJs...And say what you want, but Parker Stewart is a slight upgrade on both ends of the floor...Al may have provided some depth, but not much more in my opinion Our issue has been consistent outside shooting, and Al is shooting worse than he ever did while he was here... I've watched a few Providence games, and I see the same Al I saw here for 4 year...does he have better teammates around him? I don't know. I do know the Big East top to bottom isn't as tough as the Big 10... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 8 minutes ago, IUFLA said: I don't quite understand the logic here... Our defense is one of the best in the Big 10...Al was never anything more than an adequate defender who regularly got beat off the dribble...he lacked the strength to compete with upper tier Big 10 guards...whose spot would he take? Certainly not XJs...And say what you want, but Parker Stewart is a slight upgrade on both ends of the floor...Al may have provided some depth, but not much more in my opinion Our issue has been consistent outside shooting, and Al is shooting worse than he ever did while he was here... I've watched a few Providence games, and I see the same Al I saw here for 4 year...does he have better teammates around him? I don't know. I do know the Big East top to bottom isn't as tough as the Big 10... I think you’re underselling what taking threes and what getting into the paint does for an offense by a great deal. Al would also be a significant upgrade as a secondary ball handler and play maker over Stewart or Kopp. Our best lineup included Phinisee before he got hurt, and it was as much about what having multiple ball handlers and playmakers on the court provided as it was about his defense (because that’s already elite). The BE may not be the B1G, but it’s a dang good conference… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: I think you’re underselling what taking threes and what getting into the paint does for an offense by a great deal. Al would also be a significant upgrade as a secondary ball handler and play maker over Stewart or Kopp. Our best lineup included Phinisee before he got hurt, and it was as much about what having multiple ball handlers and playmakers on the court provided as it was about his defense (because that’s already elite). The BE may not be the B1G, but it’s a dang good conference… Stewart isn't taking 3s? He's shot 22 more than Al has this year, and more importantly made 21 more...the percentages aren't even close... As far as going to the basket, I remember Al sprawled on the floor after throwing up a prayer and never getting the call in the Big 10...in the Big East he's apparently getting these calls as so far he's shot 73 more FTs than he did in his last year at IU... Edited February 27, 2022 by IUFLA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyhoosier29 Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 10 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Stewart isn't taking 3s? He's shot 22 more than Al has this year, and more importantly made 21 more...the percentages aren't even close... As far as going to the basket, I remember Al sprawled on the floor after throwing up a prayer and never getting the call in the Big 10...in the Big East he's apparently getting these calls as so far he's shot 73 more FTs than he did in his last year at IU... Big was too physical for Al. I agree with you completely, we’re a better team with PS. There’s a reason CMW didn’t fight to keep Al. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 42 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Stewart isn't taking 3s? He's shot 22 more than Al has this year, and more importantly made 21 more...the percentages aren't even close... As far as going to the basket, I remember Al sprawled on the floor after throwing up a prayer and never getting the call in the Big 10...in the Big East he's apparently getting these calls as so far he's shot 73 more FTs than he did in his last year at IU... Stewart is a pretty one dimensional player on offense, Al isn't. Regardless of efficiency stats that is pretty clear that Al is scoring at three levels and getting to the line. That would make a world of difference for this team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 31 minutes ago, kyhoosier29 said: There’s a reason CMW didn’t fight to keep Al. Do we even know if that's true? Al played four years here, it's very possible he just decided he was done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 1 hour ago, IUFLA said: I don't quite understand the logic here... Our defense is one of the best in the Big 10...Al was never anything more than an adequate defender who regularly got beat off the dribble...he lacked the strength to compete with upper tier Big 10 guards...whose spot would he take? Certainly not XJs...And say what you want, but Parker Stewart is a slight upgrade on both ends of the floor...Al may have provided some depth, but not much more in my opinion Our issue has been consistent outside shooting, and Al is shooting worse than he ever did while he was here... I've watched a few Providence games, and I see the same Al I saw here for 4 year...does he have better teammates around him? I don't know. I do know the Big East top to bottom isn't as tough as the Big 10... He's not a better all around offensive player, hes not a better defender, and he has been suspended 1.5 games this season. AL's hitting 6.1 FTs a game in conference. Thats nutty, Parker doesn't have half that impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: Do we even know if that's true? Al played four years here, it's very possible he just decided he was done. No. We don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 There's just no way to cut it that PS is having a better season than AL. Parker can't even get his own shot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadToZion Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) I was always under the impression that Al decided to part ways on his own. I forget, did Providence recruit him initially? I know some team out East did. Edited February 27, 2022 by RoadToZion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, kyhoosier29 said: There’s a reason CMW didn’t fight to keep Al. If this is true, then maybe, just maybe, Coach Woodson miscalculated. Say whatever you want about Al, but the below are facts: The team he went to was 13-13 last year and is 24-3 this year. He hasn't gotten his ass suspended for 1.5 games this season His PER is 13.1. Parker Stewart's is 8.8. Al's PER, while not strong, would be 5th best on IU behind Trayce, Race, XJ, and Geronimo (I'm not counting Duncomb). Those are the facts. My opinion is that we would be a better team with Al. At the very least, he doesn't get suspended at Northwestern, we likely win that game, and we aren't sitting here worried about being on the bubble. Edited February 27, 2022 by 5fouls 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 The last time Providence made it to the FF they had an IU transfer on the roster. Does history repeat itself? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, rico said: The last time Providence made it to the FF they had an IU transfer on the roster. Does history repeat itself? I hope so since we made the final that year as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdue7 Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 57 minutes ago, btownqb said: There's just no way to cut it that PS is having a better season than AL. Parker can't even get his own shot. Win share/40 is the same .102 which isn’t great kopp .87 XJ .137 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 54 minutes ago, btownqb said: He's not a better all around offensive player, hes not a better defender, and he has been suspended 1.5 games this season. AL's hitting 6.1 FTs a game in conference. Thats nutty, Parker doesn't have half that impact. Stewart is a better 3 point shooter, and that's what a lot of you say we need, right? And he is at the very least Al's equal on the defensive end...Metrics bear that out... Al's FTs have gone up this year because he's getting calls he wasn't getting in the Big 10...There's no other explanation...He's only shooting 40%n from 2 and 20% from 3...Stewart certainly isn't much better from 2, but from 3, it's not even a contest...And once again, that's what people have been saying we need... And we have no idea if Al had been here whether it'd be The Windy City 6 or not... For those of you that think for some reason I'm hating on Al, I'm not...I said 3 years ago that if he was a starting guard for IU, we'd never sniff a Big 10 title, simply because of his physical limitations. Not hating, just the way I see it... I appreciate the years Al did spend here, and thank him for them...But to say we'd be appreciably better with him is not an opinion I share... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 35 minutes ago, IU Scott said: I hope so since we made the final that year as well. Providence also made the FF in '73... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 37 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Stewart is a better 3 point shooter, and that's what a lot of you say we need, right? And he is at the very least Al's equal on the defensive end...Metrics bear that out... Al's FTs have gone up this year because he's getting calls he wasn't getting in the Big 10...There's no other explanation...He's only shooting 40%n from 2 and 20% from 3...Stewart certainly isn't much better from 2, but from 3, it's not even a contest...And once again, that's what people have been saying we need... And we have no idea if Al had been here whether it'd be The Windy City 6 or not... For those of you that think for some reason I'm hating on Al, I'm not...I said 3 years ago that if he was a starting guard for IU, we'd never sniff a Big 10 title, simply because of his physical limitations. Not hating, just the way I see it... I appreciate the years Al did spend here, and thank him for them...But to say we'd be appreciably better with him is not an opinion I share... Well, Providence seems to be perfectly happy with our requirement that a player must be perfect to wear candy stripes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 45 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Well, Providence seems to be perfectly happy with our requirement that a player must be perfect to wear candy stripes. I haven't seen anyone say "perfect." I'm an IU fan and I want us to win. Teams Al played on never even got to the tournament. Nothing personal against the kid, we're just not going to win big with his level of talent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Nothing personal against the kid, we're just not going to win big with his level of talent Then how is Providence winning? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Then how is Providence winning? Come on...different league. Not as physical... different supporting players as well... And they haven't won anything yet... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 Holy cow...Notre Dame women getting absolutely throttled at home by Louisville. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Come on...different league. Not as physical... different supporting players as well... And they haven't won anything yet... I believe they have won the Big East regular season title. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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