Fiveoutofsix

Just now, Indykev said:

You can fill a stat sheet at garbage time.

This is very true.  The future can still be bright for both players.  Right now the experts that makeup the basketball staff feel Rob gives them a better chance in games.  I'm sure the captains are also providing input.  

Wow - no call for Nebraska at the rim to win the game.  Wrist was slapped down.   Thought it was fitting here.

1 hour ago, dbmhoosier said:

The ACC is used to the zone.  Woody is not.  He's been in the NBA for 40 years and while he's probably an excellent coach he surely believes you play everyone the same which is very naive.  It was a very important learning experience for him and the team.   At the Kohl Center likely will be as well. 

College basketball is vastly different than the NBA.  It's why guys like Tyrone Lue and Quinn Snyder can be successful in the league but would be epic failures at the college level. 

Not sure about this.  I didn't see Rayce and Trayce on the perimeter last night.  Out of the last 70 some points Trayce has scored ...how many of them are from the wing position?

They broke the zone, scored against it.  There wasn't anything that didn't work.  Silly turnovers from playing scared in 1st half.  

4 hours ago, btownqb said:

Was this worded how you wanted to word it? I cant figure out what you're trying to say here. 

Ha!  That is what happens when you are walking with coffee in one hand, thinking about meetings all day and getting ready to get into a vehicle.

The first 20 minutes, the entire team didn't hound their guards.  I was surprised how they played off of them, in help.  Always pictured the defense getting more in passing lanes and not leaving much daylight between them and who they are guarding.

For the most part, the second 20 minutes they adjusted, had more intensity and made the 3 ball more difficult.  Some of this broke down with fatigue and the bench not being able to play with composure as they will in the future.  Got to run (me)...

4 minutes ago, btownqb said:

It was evident the pace that our kids are being asked to play at, compared to last year, is a huge reason for the early season turnovers. Throw in SU's zone.. and there you go. I have zero negatives from last night. Keep growing. 

 

For the first time you can see hesitation in Bates, especially after the block at 3.  Thompson, warrior; however he panicked with the ball in the middle.  Made a ton of good plays, but he is doing more with the ball then ever before.  

Tale of 2 halfs. Still don't understand the less pressure at the perimeter a D the 1st half.  

Hopefully once they watch tape they can see all errors and style of play are correctable.  

1 minute ago, btownqb said:

I mean.. if you want to full court pressure there, ok, it's going to have to be way more effective then that though or TJD going to live in foul trouble. 

For sure - there was broken down coverage.   It was more IU missing assignments then SU breaking it.  From my perspective 

9 minutes ago, btownqb said:

The more and more I watch the last play.. good God what are those two doing? 

I think these kids are use to everything be scripted and practiced 100 times before playing.  Woody os an NBA guy - get use to a drawn up play and process quickly and execute.  Not saying they don't practice plays.  Going off the press conference.

5 minutes ago, BGleas said:

But in a tied game you don't even want to let them get to a point where they can even get that close to the rim. Bad things happen when you allow that. 

You pick up with token pressure, forcing them to turn a couple times and then force them into a deep prayer shot. 

The extreme pressure allowed Cuse to get downhill and put pressure on the defense. 

Hey, totally see your side.  To me, it hurried them up with a questionable extra step not called at center court.

I always play on the side the more aggressive team wins.  We could of taken it to the rim a few times and instead passed it up to setup the offensive.

My mind was like.....why not bring in fresh legs at somepoint in the ot with Jordan and others and get SU fatigue to make some mistakes.  

That's why you play power5 teams, especially on the road, early in the season so you can have an honest assessment on the team and what they can do or can't do YET.

7 hours ago, BGleas said:

In that situation you want to extend your defense to cause them to have to reverse and waste time, but not pressure to the point where you allow them to blow by you, and you certainly don't want to trap. 

You just trying to get them to change direction once or twice. We full court pressed and allow them to blow by us. 

Different strategies work.  They had Trayce in centerfield and protecting the rim aginst a guard going up.  The foul was on Lander from behind (which I didn't see at first).  If that foul, which was a non necessary one, play works.  

The first trap could of also been a little tighter.  They will learn.  I liked the play, try to get a turnover, score and go home.  

Looking at stats - only two categories IU was worse in.  Turnovers and Free Throws. 

Clean those up and different game.  Got to think now the TO piece is going to be even more of an emphasis.  

Just now, kyhoosier29 said:

One shot by Lander solidifies that for you? He was poor at everything else. Didn’t get a shot at the end of the 1st OT bc of him and lost at the end of the second OT bc of an idiotic foul. Not even mentioning the ball that went through his

Woodson said that play wasn't on Lander.  It was everyone else.  Same play they ran to get Miller that open 3.  Team didn't execute.  

Why IU is good hands.  All answers authentic:  Woodson post game:  

Just now, ephul said:

We will see. We certainly have the pieces. Point guard has got to improve. Johnson has got to slow down a bit and sacrifice some flash for some ball security.

Parker Stewart impresses me a lot. Just a steady presence out there

Stewart's confidence grew as the game went on.  First half he looked a step slow, second half he was all over on both ends of the floor.  If he can play with the same instinct, this team can take it to another level.

Just now, Bushmage said:

this was a game to feel good about ultimately. crawling out of an 18 point hole from the absolute trash play in the first half to a 1 possession double OT loss is commendable. But this was the worst game of turnovers we have had in quite some time. They were almost intentional passes to Syracuse. If Race cleans up even a fraction of those terrible traitor-passes we win the game.

 

That said, I liked a lot of what happened. I think hoosiers are still back

On the road, during a hyped challenge and two programs with deep history going after each other.  Two of those kids wearing orange probably have heard about that final game years ago their entire life - ha!

12 minutes ago, Hoosier51 said:

Turnovers is killing this team. It is as simple as that 👍

Yes - And, some of the missed FT, although, much improved.  Have to get some help from bench to spell Thompson.  Not sure if some of the TO towards end when they cleaned up offense was do to fatigue.

4 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

We shot 56% for the game.  Just lower to 20 turnovers instead of 25 and we likely win the game.

 

I bet when the team watches the tape they are not going to beleive some of the turnovers.  Race was a warrior out there - he struggled when doubled and had to pass out.  

If only they played some of that 2nd half D when they had fresh legs.  

5 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Really bad coaching decision there. You want to just shadow to make them waste time, not pressure like that 

I liked it.  Looked like a travel at half court.  Fadeaway layup being called a foul at the end when big goes straight up.  Didn't see, what the thompson thing where he got hit in the head.  

16 minutes ago, Artesian_86 said:

He seems like he would be at the top of Coach Allen’s list, being a former IU football player and a very respectable OC resume’. JMHO.

In hindsight- he was there two years ago.  After seeing the Washington hire, we had a special OC three years ago and his recommendation of Sheridan had value.  

Can't look back, just move forward.  I have a feeling there is a plan and hopefully it has been in the works for awhile.  Coach Allen is a leader and understands the situation and what he needs to do.  Got to get out there and recruit.  

2 hours ago, Seeking6 said:

No information at all....but whoever mentioned Justin Frye earlier might be onto something. 

Sure hope so!!!!

4 minutes ago, Hoosier82 said:

He’s never called the plays at any level. Making him OC seems very risky…assuming he’d even want that role

The positive is that he has been around numerous head coaches and OC's that have a terrific reputation and have learned from them.  And, he is a recruiter.  

10 minutes ago, IU878176 said:

If partying after losses and having “help” with papers made you quit on IU football I’m sorry to inform you that you are 45 years too late.

I witnessed plenty during the Corso years is all I’m saying

Furthermore, sarcasm from players should be navigated in many ways.  I doubt players are going around telling others that they are not doing their work.  Now, I wasn’t there so I have no idea how the conversation occured.  If anything, I can see them joking around about it, which kids do.   

Hey, got to give the kids credit for having common sense to get a ride instead of possibly driving themselves.  Players from all sports have been known to go out after losses.  Pros and college - well documented.  And, even the Coach Knight players had their nights out after tough games.  The kids are not on lock down and they know they will be back at it at 5am.   

11 minutes ago, IUJoe said:

Just my opinion (and I'm never a fan of mid-season coaching moves), but if the decision to let Sheridan go was that obvious, a change should have been made during the season.  It would have been the only chance to right the ship.  It was pretty clear to me from being down there with seats right behind the bench that the rest of the team folded its collective tent and quit long ago.

There was a reason they rushed Penix back who was not fully recovered physically and mentally.  He was the only chance with the OL and had thr only capability to make a big throw.  When our ONLY speed guy went down that also handicapped the offense.  Need tp recruit and have someone that can bring in talent.   First thing Wilson did, hire an OC that brought a qb.  We need someone that can possibly bring some OL with them and speed at WR.  

I have no idea if Dexter can be a legit qb. Or if Penix can be back with more recovery time, or if Donovan can take a jump or if the texas qb recruit can step in from day one.  Regardless, bring in someone that can recruit and recruit fast.  

2 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Seems like a worthy candidate. Their offense was good this year. UCLA I mean. 

He has experience, is known as a good recruiter and is an OL coach.  I of course always like to see former Hoosiers back on the sideline.  Especially ones who have the experience and in his case he played and started many games for IU.  

1 minute ago, OGIUAndy said:

Who will be candidates? 

Good question. My favorite is a former hoosier captain Justin Frye.  No idea if he is interested.  I'm sure there are going to plenty of in-demand coaches out there.  

Per twitter, Allen taking a $200,000 a year deduction throughout his contract, I think.

It is speculated that this is to help pay the remaining $700,000 to Sheridan.  All assisants signed a two year contract last season.

Interesting- does this mean this will be the only change forced?  Some coaches might move naturally.  Will there be so reassignments?  Probably have to wait for the new hire.  Personally I thought it would be a package change with the OL based on results the past two years. 

This is the first step towards moving forward.  Coach Allen is a leader and needs a reset.  A ton to learn from this year.  Hoping some of the talented receuiting classes with speed take a leap forward in the offseason, etc.